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Scientists find new blood group after 50-year mystery

143 points by tomrod 2y ago

gus_massa 2y ago
A few years ago, I made a comment in a similar topic asking for more details, and I got a very good reply. Hat tip to tait: > It's complicated. > There are more than 35 red blood cell groups (see https://www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/blood-types https://www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/blood-typ... for a nice writeup). For each of those blood groups, there is more than one possible configuration of some protein or carbohydrate (something like more than one possible genetic sequence leading to more than one kind of molecule on the surface of the RBCs). > And, even with ABO, there can be infrequent variations that make things more complicated (see https://professionaleducation.blood.ca/en/transfusion/best-practices/serological-best-practices/abo-subgroups https://professionaleducation.blood.ca/en/transfusion/best-p... for more). > For the other blood groups, I think every case the groups were identified because a patient somewhere made an antibody, causing either a transfusion reaction (if not tested ahead of time) or, more likely, a positive (incompatible) reaction on in compatibility testing. > [...] It's worth reading the full original comment because it has more interesting details https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33507052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33507052
jmclnx 2y ago
Kind of lacks details, at first thought I thought it was going to be about this type: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hh_blood_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hh_blood_group Can O- be used for this new type ? I know group Hh the answer is no.
pazimzadeh 2y ago
Deletions in the MAL gene result in loss of Mal protein, defining the rare inherited AnWj-negative blood group phenotype https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39158068/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39158068/
bookofbiden 2y ago
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water-data-dude 2y ago
Does this article seem weirdly phrased in places to anyone else? Like here: > They identified the genetic background of the previously known AnWj blood group antigen, which was discovered in 1972 but unknown until now after this world-first test was developed. That sentence feels ponderous and a bit ambiguous to me. How does the genetic background of the AnWj blood group antigen relate? And if it was known in 1972, what exactly did these researchers discover about it? Am I missing background knowledge, or am I just having a bad day for reading comprehension or something?
- teamonkey 2y ago
  “Everyone has proteins outside their red blood cells known as antigens, but a small number might lack them.”
- xelamonster 2y ago
  This bit seemed off too: > The test [...] will make it easier to find potential blood developers for this rare blood type. Developers? Do they mean donors?
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- jmcgough 2y ago
  Yep, they claim it's a new blood group that was discovered, but then the body of the article seems to imply that this was known for decades. What's notable is there's a new blood test for the group. Article feels like it was written in a hurry or partially written by AI with poor editing.
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  - williamwcyoung 2y ago
    I’m glad to see someone mention this, I got a very strong “nice words in the wrong order” vibe from this article which is strange for something off the BBC.
ahazred8ta 2y ago
There has been past coverage of the rare Rh-null "golden blood" type, which lacks all of the Rh family of antigens. Only 9 donors worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system#Rhnull_phenotype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system#Rhnull_p...
the_real_cher 2y ago
There was a bunch of talk years ago about synthetic type O blood able to be mass produced? Any word on that?

143 points by tomrod 2y ago

A few years ago, I made a comment in a similar topic asking for more details, and I got a very good reply. Hat tip to tait: > It's complicated. > There are more than 35 red blood cell groups (see https://www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/blood-types https://www.science.org.au/curious/people-medicine/blood-typ... for a nice writeup). For each of those blood groups, there is more than one possible configuration of some protein or carbohydrate (something like more than one possible genetic sequence leading to more than one kind of molecule on the surface of the RBCs). > And, even with ABO, there can be infrequent variations that make things more complicated (see https://professionaleducation.blood.ca/en/transfusion/best-practices/serological-best-practices/abo-subgroups https://professionaleducation.blood.ca/en/transfusion/best-p... for more). > For the other blood groups, I think every case the groups were identified because a patient somewhere made an antibody, causing either a transfusion reaction (if not tested ahead of time) or, more likely, a positive (incompatible) reaction on in compatibility testing. > [...] It's worth reading the full original comment because it has more interesting details https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33507052 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33507052

jmclnx 2y ago

Kind of lacks details, at first thought I thought it was going to be about this type: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hh_blood_group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hh_blood_group Can O- be used for this new type ? I know group Hh the answer is no.

pazimzadeh 2y ago

Deletions in the MAL gene result in loss of Mal protein, defining the rare inherited AnWj-negative blood group phenotype https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39158068/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39158068/

bookofbiden 2y ago

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water-data-dude 2y ago

Does this article seem weirdly phrased in places to anyone else? Like here: > They identified the genetic background of the previously known AnWj blood group antigen, which was discovered in 1972 but unknown until now after this world-first test was developed. That sentence feels ponderous and a bit ambiguous to me. How does the genetic background of the AnWj blood group antigen relate? And if it was known in 1972, what exactly did these researchers discover about it? Am I missing background knowledge, or am I just having a bad day for reading comprehension or something?

teamonkey 2y ago
“Everyone has proteins outside their red blood cells known as antigens, but a small number might lack them.”
xelamonster 2y ago
This bit seemed off too: > The test [...] will make it easier to find potential blood developers for this rare blood type. Developers? Do they mean donors?
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jmcgough 2y ago
Yep, they claim it's a new blood group that was discovered, but then the body of the article seems to imply that this was known for decades. What's notable is there's a new blood test for the group. Article feels like it was written in a hurry or partially written by AI with poor editing.
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- williamwcyoung 2y ago
  I’m glad to see someone mention this, I got a very strong “nice words in the wrong order” vibe from this article which is strange for something off the BBC.

ahazred8ta 2y ago

There has been past coverage of the rare Rh-null "golden blood" type, which lacks all of the Rh family of antigens. Only 9 donors worldwide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system#Rhnull_phenotype https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rh_blood_group_system#Rhnull_p...

the_real_cher 2y ago

There was a bunch of talk years ago about synthetic type O blood able to be mass produced? Any word on that?