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Why not both? Location data would be relatively easy to collect and forward, audio not so much (much higher storage and transmission throughput requirements for
by anigbrowl 2y ago
Why not both? Location data would be relatively easy to collect and forward, audio not so much (much higher storage and transmission throughput requirements for very low quality source data given the limitations of piezoelectric microphones and the fact that pagers are usually worn on belts).
If you're getting GPS data, collecting people's movements for a month or three probably provides 99% of what you will ever want to know. Once the patterns have been established you're into diminishing returns territory, while the risk of discovery goes up, which would neutralize the value of the explosive attack.
The strategic value of such a perfectly targeted surprise attack is massive, notwithstanding the relatively low fatality rate. Injuries are expensive and often devastating, and the psychological impact is brutal. Logistically, Hezbollah (and many other organizations, militant or not) are going to have to review and/or replace part of their communications tech. That's a massive technical disruption, a significant economic cost, and risks further exposing supply chain information. It's also going to create paranoia about many other electronic devices, poison in the food, and so on.
I'm not sure about the ethics of this. If one were certain that only Hezbollah officers were being targeted then it would be an acceptable kind of asymmetric attack through a novel vector.
However this also seems to have impacted quite a few civilians, and there is a claim (unverified so far) that a hospital just replaced all its pager equipment a couple of weeks ago and would otherwise have been impacted: https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1836080190855795092 https://x.com/SuppressedNws/status/1836080190855795092
If this happened in the US pursuant to one of the wars we've been involved in, we'd definitely be calling it terrorism and/or a war crime. It's a big strategic win for the Israelis in the short term but can hurt them two ways in the longer term. Hezbollah and other enemies of Israel will be significantly more motivated retaliate in some equally creative/unpredictable fashion, and non-aligned economic partners of Israel are likely to view Israeli products with renewed skepticism, hurting exports.
- tptacek 2y agoIt would be a bit rich for us to call this a war crime, since our standard M.O. for targeted strikes --- like everybody else's --- routinely kills innocent civilians in much larger numbers than this.
- hadlock 2y ago[flagged]
- colordrops 2y agoOk, so targeted strikes in the US by our enemies that have civilians as collateral damage is OK, is that what you are saying?
- rocqua 2y agoThe point was that the US government regularly accepts civilian casualties in trageted strikes, so it would be hypocritical for the US government to complain now. Notably, this doesn't apply to anyone who hasn't supported such strikes in the war against terror.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago> this doesn't apply to anyone who hasn't supported such strikes in the war against terror or to any US ally; the hypocrisy has been around for a long time already if 20 Mossad agents had been assassinated in Israel _in the same way_, we'd be hearing the story told in a whole different way
- colordrops 2y ago20 Mossad agents with 2700 civilians injured, 200 close to death, to include all the details. Many civilians were doctors with pagers. Edit: my comment is 100% factual and unopinionated. I'm just quoting an NPR report. To downvote this is to be a propaganda agent.
- rocqua 2y agoYour comment is unsubstantiated, and I haven't been able to find any source that confirms. The downvotes seem reasonable to me.
- sitkack 2y agoI think they burned an asset right before the last time they had a window to use it. Maybe even on accident. Dumb and cruel, could have used it to nearly the same effect by just telling hezbollah.
- rabidonrails 2y agoA couple of things on this: 1. It appears that the AUMBC referenced replaced their equipment but that had nothing to do with this and their doctors weren't impacted. 2. Your note of "...other enemies of Israel will be significantly more motivated retaliate in some equally creative/unpredictable fashion..." is strange considering that this is already the norm. Almost all (perhaps all) of the attacks against Israel have been from terrorists targeting civilians.