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These small incremental AI tools seem in isolation to be helpful things for human coders. But over a period of decades, these interations will eventually become
by vouaobrasil 2y ago
These small incremental AI tools seem in isolation to be helpful things for human coders. But over a period of decades, these interations will eventually become mostly autonomous, writing code by themselves and without much human intervention compared to now. And that could be a very dangerous thing for humanity, but most people working on this stuff don't care because by the time that happens, they will be retired with a nice piece of private property that will isolate them from the suffering of those who have not yet obtained their private property.
- xyproto 2y agoIf the danger is a high degree of inequality among humans on Earth, we are already there.
- vouaobrasil 2y agoInequality though isn't on/off, and there are degrees. The current existence of inequality isn't a logical dismissal of attempts to prevent it worsening. And of course, the danger of AI is much greater than just inequality: it is the further reduction of all human beings to cogs in a machine, and that is bad even if we all end up being relatively equal cogs.
- EGreg 2y agoEvery time it’s the same pattern: “Autonomous AI is dangerous” “pfft, are you worried about X outcome? We already had it”
- scotty79 2y agoBecause it's true? We already had a world war between autonomous AIs called national militaries before they (mostly) learned that total conflict doesn't result in them getting more resources. And autonomous AIs called corporations exploit our planet constantly in paper-clip maximizer fashion. The fact that they are running on meatware doesn't help at all.
- EGreg 2y agoAnd we see those as problems. But they were constrained by being executed by humans. Now the AI fans want to make more and more actually autonomous ones executed by machines? The problems would be orders of magnitude bigger. They can do far more at scale. They can perfectly recall, process and copy all information they’re exposed to. And they don’t have a self preservation instict like people with bodies do.
- ben_w 2y ago> They can perfectly recall, process and copy all information they’re exposed to. I'm not sure if it's better or worse that the computers can do that while the AI running on them get confused and mix things up. > And they don’t have a self preservation instict like people with bodies do. Not so sure about that, self preservation is an instrumental goal for almost anything else. Even a system that doesn't have any self-awareness, but is subject to a genetic algorithm, would probably end up with that behaviour.
- actionfromafar 2y agoIf we are still talking about AI enhanced companies, it's not that companies evolve. It's that those companies who are unfit, die off. Paul Graham put it humorously in a very old speech I can't find...
- ben_w 2y agoI was responding to (what I thought was) a point about AI themselves rather than specifically attached to corporations. Corporations (and bureaucracies) don't follow the same maths as evolution — although they do mutate, merge, split, share memes, etc., the difference is that "success" isn't measured in number of descendants. But even then, organisations that last, generally have their own survival encoded into their structure, which may or may not look like any particular individual within also wanting the organisation to continue.
- scotty79 2y ago
- throwaway290 2y agoIf you are okay with more of it then it is clear on which side of the gap you are
- xyproto 2y agoInequality has always had a breaking point where people revolt. There is no sides, only mechanisms.
- EGreg 2y agoExactly. And it won’t isolate them btw. The AI will affect them too.