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Not making any statement on causality but I wanted to take a look... Firearm related deaths per 100,000[1]: Germany: 0.065 US: 4.054 (62.4x higher) Firearm

by shric 2y ago

Not making any statement on causality but I wanted to take a look... Firearm related deaths per 100,000[1]: Germany: 0.065 US: 4.054 (62.4x higher) Firearm ownership per 100 people[2]: Germany: 19.6 US: 120.5 (6.15x higher) If those stats are to be believed there's approximately 10x firearm deaths per gun in the US compared to Germany. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm... [2]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian...

anonCoffee 2y ago
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- SahAssar 2y ago
  Do you think that is the only statistic that might have some correlation with this? Are there perhaps other things than race that might be just as or more relevant?
  - octopoc 2y ago
    I was recently reading about violence in schools in Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax and he mentioned several correlations that are common suspects: economic "level", race, and a few others, and race was the highest correlation by about 20%. I share your curiosity and have dug into the issue quite a bit, but obviously it's difficult since it's a bit of a taboo topic.
  - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
    It's a cultural problem, but we like to call it race because a divided people are a distracted populace.
AdrianB1 2y ago
I would argue that firearm ownership per 100 people is very misleading, you have more guns than owners in US. Comparing ownership per household (how many house holds have guns vs total number of households), the difference is way smaller, maybe less than 2x. For example I know a guy that has more than 400 firearms. For him it is a business, not a passion, he does not even carry one, but he is giving a wrong impression of gun ownership.
semi-extrinsic 2y ago
For one, if you look at the types of firearms, in Germany you will find extremely few in the "self defence" or "assault rifle" category, mostly they are in the "hunting" or "marksmanship" categories. Then you have safe gun storage, which is mandatory in Germany and is subject to routine inspections. It is also mandatory to have an ownership license for any type of gun. You will be automatically denied this e.g. if you are formerly convicted of a serious crime, have mental health issues, or a history with drug use or violence. And you need to provide a reason for owning a gun, where "self defence" does not count. If you can prohibit people from owning guns made for killing lots of other people, and prohibit people who obviously should not own guns from getting them, you've made substantial progress.
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- beaglesss 2y ago
  It's mostly culture. I could get a gun+ammo in a week in Germany with no license. So could you and so did 'John Stark' (fgc9).
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    In a legal way? Or as you saying you’ll just contact some people who’ll supply you with the weapon in exhange for a liberal amount of cash?
    - beaglesss 2y ago
      Fgc-9 + 'what about ammo' guides by deterrence dispensed are engineered to build reliable 9mm firearm out of non-regulated components in EU. No one shady involved. Videos of unlicensed Germans doing this are online.
      - Aeolun 2y ago
        So, skirting the spirit of the law, instead of the letter.

by shric 2y ago

anonCoffee 2y ago

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SahAssar 2y ago
Do you think that is the only statistic that might have some correlation with this? Are there perhaps other things than race that might be just as or more relevant?
- octopoc 2y ago
  I was recently reading about violence in schools in Boys Adrift by Dr. Leonard Sax and he mentioned several correlations that are common suspects: economic "level", race, and a few others, and race was the highest correlation by about 20%. I share your curiosity and have dug into the issue quite a bit, but obviously it's difficult since it's a bit of a taboo topic.
- Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
  It's a cultural problem, but we like to call it race because a divided people are a distracted populace.

AdrianB1 2y ago

I would argue that firearm ownership per 100 people is very misleading, you have more guns than owners in US. Comparing ownership per household (how many house holds have guns vs total number of households), the difference is way smaller, maybe less than 2x. For example I know a guy that has more than 400 firearms. For him it is a business, not a passion, he does not even carry one, but he is giving a wrong impression of gun ownership.

semi-extrinsic 2y ago

For one, if you look at the types of firearms, in Germany you will find extremely few in the "self defence" or "assault rifle" category, mostly they are in the "hunting" or "marksmanship" categories. Then you have safe gun storage, which is mandatory in Germany and is subject to routine inspections. It is also mandatory to have an ownership license for any type of gun. You will be automatically denied this e.g. if you are formerly convicted of a serious crime, have mental health issues, or a history with drug use or violence. And you need to provide a reason for owning a gun, where "self defence" does not count. If you can prohibit people from owning guns made for killing lots of other people, and prohibit people who obviously should not own guns from getting them, you've made substantial progress.

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beaglesss 2y ago
It's mostly culture. I could get a gun+ammo in a week in Germany with no license. So could you and so did 'John Stark' (fgc9).
- Aeolun 2y ago
  In a legal way? Or as you saying you’ll just contact some people who’ll supply you with the weapon in exhange for a liberal amount of cash?
  - beaglesss 2y ago
    Fgc-9 + 'what about ammo' guides by deterrence dispensed are engineered to build reliable 9mm firearm out of non-regulated components in EU. No one shady involved. Videos of unlicensed Germans doing this are online.
    - Aeolun 2y ago
      So, skirting the spirit of the law, instead of the letter.