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The difference between swatting in the US and Germany is pretty shocking. No one was forced to the ground, the developer had a calm chat with the police and the

by qayxc 2y ago

The difference between swatting in the US and Germany is pretty shocking. No one was forced to the ground, the developer had a calm chat with the police and the whole incident didn't look all that terrifying. I loved how the police explained that the live stream had to be shut down due to an ongoing investigation, but he might resume it soon, because the issue might get resolved quickly. Still a horrible and dangerous thing to do to somebody, but I'm glad the police were calm, polite, and professional.

declan_roberts 2y ago
That's because this wasn't a swat team.
- qayxc 2y ago
  How do you know? We didn't see everyone involved and have no picture of the entire situation.
  - trhway 2y ago
    The door didnt flew in, so it wasn’t SWAT. And the guy was lucky he was programming and nod spreading butter on sandwich with a knife.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - nine_k 2y ago
    SWAT = Special Weapons and Tactics. Which usually involves blasting out the door, jumping inside while covered with body armor and / or tactical shields, expecting unusually fierce resistance with military-grade weapons, etc. This is warranted in special cases, like storming a building held by terrorists. What was that is very regular tactics and barely any weapons. It was a polite visit by police expecting reasonable cooperation from the target person, not heavy armed resistance.
    - qayxc 2y ago
      The SEK/MEK (i.e. German SWAT equivalent) operates differently. Shocking, I know, different countries, different procedures. Their daily operations look pretty much like this.
      - nine_k 2y ago
        A different notion of special, I suppose. If they do not expect fierce armed resistance, or special environment like an unlit derelict factory, or a need to interact with unusual machinery / electronics, I wonder what makes their job "special". I suppose that SEK/MEK are capable of tackling special circumstances, but in this case they didn't need to, they just had to do a job of a police inspector, only with a large safety margin.
    - lazyasciiart 2y ago
      Presumably the cars were just there to witness the reasonable cooperation? > the whole street was full of about 10 (or more) emergency vehicles right up to the next intersection!!! about 10 police cars, 2 fire departments, 1 ambulance, an emergency doctor
  - misnome 2y ago
    It was in Germany.
  - blueflow 2y ago
    Lack of SEK uniforms.
casenmgreen 2y ago
Emphatic agreement.
2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
I wonder how German police would look if Germany had similar rates of gun ownership, homicide, and gangs as the US?
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Thankfully we don't get guns in supermarkets or as gift while opening bank accounts, and everyone is fine with it.
  - beaglesss 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - chris_wot 2y ago
      That's a completely different situation, and you know it.
    - wredcoll 2y ago
      > Sure, but Germany has had one of the higher genocide rates of disarmed people in the past century, to the point it exceeds the past century death by firearm inside the US. They weren't "disarmed" you absolute knob. "They" had guns and weapons and fought back against the nazis and lost. It turns out a bunch of civilians with small arms does not actually pose a meaningful threat to a state level military. What makes this comment so obnoxious, aside from getting all the facts incorrect, is it helps promote this awful notion that you can be immune to state oppression if you just buy a gun. Shockingly, it does not work that way on real life. If you want the state to not oppress people you have to actually put in work to prevent it from happening, because if a state level military is coming to kill you it doesn't really matter how many guns you have in your closet or how cool your black temu tactical gear is. Artillery from 2km away will just kill you. (Also as far as I know, when the vast majority of native americans died, they had plenty of guns.)
      - beaglesss 2y ago
        > a state level military is coming to kill you it doesn't really matter how many guns you have in your closet or how cool your black temu tactical gear is. Artillery from 2km away will just kill you. I've fought in a non-state militia that held off a nation state, in a civil war. About half the people I met died, but yet, the rest remain. So you're wrong. >They" had guns and weapons and fought back against the nazis and lost. It turns out a bunch of civilians with small arms does not actually pose a meaningful threat to a state level military. ... Those in the Warsaw ghetto did with smuggled arms, and held out for several days, meanwhile their disarmed brethren did not last nearly as long. >"They" had guns and weapons and fought back against the nazis and lost Jews were virtually disarmed in Germany before the genocide started. In conquered states,they occasionally held off longer with smuggled arms. (In some cases like Malka Zdrojewicz, fighting even seems to have possibly save her life as officers admired her courage and sent her to a non-genocide destination.)
lolinder 2y ago
Your characterization is a bit more tame than their description of the interaction in the YouTube comments [0]: > I thought about making the incident accessible to a wider public through YT for 24 hours and ultimately decided to do so in order to document to us Germans and Europeans that SWAT'ing is not a phenomenon limited to the USA and is dangerous. also to document what kind of criminal energy there is and how completely inappropriately the police acted in my case in my opinion. > During a live stream while bi-secting a SPARC Linux bug in our ExactCODE GmbH office, the bell rang, the door was banged and the police were called. Unsuspecting - I assumed someone else was missing or there had been a break-in - when I opened the door I was confronted by a good 10 police officers with drawn weapons and at least one with what looked to me like a Taser. After I was identified, I was immediately handcuffed when I heard “hands out of my pockets” in the video!!! I had seen about 10 police officers in front of and in our office, and it wasn't until the following day that neighbors reported that the entire street, right up to the next intersection, was full of a dozen (or more) emergency vehicles!!! about 10 police cars, 2 fire departments, 1 ambulance, an emergency doctor etc...!!! > According to the conversation with the police, an email was sent to the police and another to other rescue workers saying that I had killed my wife and now wanted to take my own life. I assume an email of the type Hans Musterman 6345234@xyz? With his real name @t-oline, hardly anyone would provoke such an action. I find it completely disproportionate that the police go out with such a number of devices and personnel to a registered company registered as a GmbH and not first Google the name and company in order to presumably find my YouTube (and Twitch) activities directly. > A team of two or four officers, and if necessary a test call to the company, would have been more than sufficient given such low-quality evidence. Likewise, neither to identify myself nor to put handcuffs on me immediately. The police should act more prudently and balanced here and not allow themselves to be paraded like this. > But I would like to express my gratitude that I was otherwise treated reasonably humanely, that I survived it and that there was no other damage to property. It could have been much worse. If we had all just been on our lunch break, for example, the office would probably have been forced open by the fire department. To be honest, completely unacceptable for an IT company...! :-/ [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEwcTKUFCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEwcTKUFCA (translated inline by Google Translate)
- Sebb767 2y ago
AdrianB1 2y ago
The similarity between swatting in US and Germany is pretty shocking: they raid and arrest people with no proof. Good job /s

by qayxc 2y ago

declan_roberts 2y ago

That's because this wasn't a swat team.

qayxc 2y ago
How do you know? We didn't see everyone involved and have no picture of the entire situation.
- trhway 2y ago
  The door didnt flew in, so it wasn’t SWAT. And the guy was lucky he was programming and nod spreading butter on sandwich with a knife.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- nine_k 2y ago
  SWAT = Special Weapons and Tactics. Which usually involves blasting out the door, jumping inside while covered with body armor and / or tactical shields, expecting unusually fierce resistance with military-grade weapons, etc. This is warranted in special cases, like storming a building held by terrorists. What was that is very regular tactics and barely any weapons. It was a polite visit by police expecting reasonable cooperation from the target person, not heavy armed resistance.
  - qayxc 2y ago
    The SEK/MEK (i.e. German SWAT equivalent) operates differently. Shocking, I know, different countries, different procedures. Their daily operations look pretty much like this.
    - nine_k 2y ago
      A different notion of special, I suppose. If they do not expect fierce armed resistance, or special environment like an unlit derelict factory, or a need to interact with unusual machinery / electronics, I wonder what makes their job "special". I suppose that SEK/MEK are capable of tackling special circumstances, but in this case they didn't need to, they just had to do a job of a police inspector, only with a large safety margin.
  - lazyasciiart 2y ago
    Presumably the cars were just there to witness the reasonable cooperation? > the whole street was full of about 10 (or more) emergency vehicles right up to the next intersection!!! about 10 police cars, 2 fire departments, 1 ambulance, an emergency doctor
- misnome 2y ago
  It was in Germany.
- blueflow 2y ago
  Lack of SEK uniforms.

casenmgreen 2y ago

Emphatic agreement.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

I wonder how German police would look if Germany had similar rates of gun ownership, homicide, and gangs as the US?

pjmlp 2y ago
Thankfully we don't get guns in supermarkets or as gift while opening bank accounts, and everyone is fine with it.
- beaglesss 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - chris_wot 2y ago
    That's a completely different situation, and you know it.
  - wredcoll 2y ago
    > Sure, but Germany has had one of the higher genocide rates of disarmed people in the past century, to the point it exceeds the past century death by firearm inside the US. They weren't "disarmed" you absolute knob. "They" had guns and weapons and fought back against the nazis and lost. It turns out a bunch of civilians with small arms does not actually pose a meaningful threat to a state level military. What makes this comment so obnoxious, aside from getting all the facts incorrect, is it helps promote this awful notion that you can be immune to state oppression if you just buy a gun. Shockingly, it does not work that way on real life. If you want the state to not oppress people you have to actually put in work to prevent it from happening, because if a state level military is coming to kill you it doesn't really matter how many guns you have in your closet or how cool your black temu tactical gear is. Artillery from 2km away will just kill you. (Also as far as I know, when the vast majority of native americans died, they had plenty of guns.)
    - beaglesss 2y ago
      > a state level military is coming to kill you it doesn't really matter how many guns you have in your closet or how cool your black temu tactical gear is. Artillery from 2km away will just kill you. I've fought in a non-state militia that held off a nation state, in a civil war. About half the people I met died, but yet, the rest remain. So you're wrong. >They" had guns and weapons and fought back against the nazis and lost. It turns out a bunch of civilians with small arms does not actually pose a meaningful threat to a state level military. ... Those in the Warsaw ghetto did with smuggled arms, and held out for several days, meanwhile their disarmed brethren did not last nearly as long. >"They" had guns and weapons and fought back against the nazis and lost Jews were virtually disarmed in Germany before the genocide started. In conquered states,they occasionally held off longer with smuggled arms. (In some cases like Malka Zdrojewicz, fighting even seems to have possibly save her life as officers admired her courage and sent her to a non-genocide destination.)

lolinder 2y ago

Your characterization is a bit more tame than their description of the interaction in the YouTube comments [0]: > I thought about making the incident accessible to a wider public through YT for 24 hours and ultimately decided to do so in order to document to us Germans and Europeans that SWAT'ing is not a phenomenon limited to the USA and is dangerous. also to document what kind of criminal energy there is and how completely inappropriately the police acted in my case in my opinion. > During a live stream while bi-secting a SPARC Linux bug in our ExactCODE GmbH office, the bell rang, the door was banged and the police were called. Unsuspecting - I assumed someone else was missing or there had been a break-in - when I opened the door I was confronted by a good 10 police officers with drawn weapons and at least one with what looked to me like a Taser. After I was identified, I was immediately handcuffed when I heard “hands out of my pockets” in the video!!! I had seen about 10 police officers in front of and in our office, and it wasn't until the following day that neighbors reported that the entire street, right up to the next intersection, was full of a dozen (or more) emergency vehicles!!! about 10 police cars, 2 fire departments, 1 ambulance, an emergency doctor etc...!!! > According to the conversation with the police, an email was sent to the police and another to other rescue workers saying that I had killed my wife and now wanted to take my own life. I assume an email of the type Hans Musterman 6345234@xyz? With his real name @t-oline, hardly anyone would provoke such an action. I find it completely disproportionate that the police go out with such a number of devices and personnel to a registered company registered as a GmbH and not first Google the name and company in order to presumably find my YouTube (and Twitch) activities directly. > A team of two or four officers, and if necessary a test call to the company, would have been more than sufficient given such low-quality evidence. Likewise, neither to identify myself nor to put handcuffs on me immediately. The police should act more prudently and balanced here and not allow themselves to be paraded like this. > But I would like to express my gratitude that I was otherwise treated reasonably humanely, that I survived it and that there was no other damage to property. It could have been much worse. If we had all just been on our lunch break, for example, the office would probably have been forced open by the fire department. To be honest, completely unacceptable for an IT company...! :-/ [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEwcTKUFCA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIEwcTKUFCA (translated inline by Google Translate)

Sebb767 2y ago

AdrianB1 2y ago

The similarity between swatting in US and Germany is pretty shocking: they raid and arrest people with no proof. Good job /s