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Per the article this is from the party that "began as a neo-Nazi movement in the 1980s but rebranded itself as a conservative party, with curbing migration at t

Per the article this is from the party that "began as a neo-Nazi movement in the 1980s but rebranded itself as a conservative party, with curbing migration at the center of it platform." I would imagine it's ideological demagoguery and not concerned with serious critical analysis of long term effects.

Saturnial22 2y ago
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benterix 2y ago
These are two separate things: (1) the party being right-wing, (2) the immigration or more precisely the lack of integration causing problems for the Swedish society. The previous left-wing government that basically said "we're taking everybody" had good intentions but extremely poor execution. Merkel's Germany didn't do much better tbh. In any case, when migrants don't integrate, and you fail to make them do so, you can either ignore the problem hoping it goes away or try to solve it in a way that is human and causes as little suffering as possible.
- fifilura 2y ago
  Yes, but it is an explanation for how the debate landed. Not everything in politics is pure logic, there are lots of emotions too. Not aligning with neo-nazis is one of those emotions.
paulddraper 2y ago
Does this kind of criticism apply to US parties? Like a pro-slavery party?
rdtsc 2y ago
> from the party that "began as a neo-Nazi movement in the 1980s Good find. By the same token though, the Democratic Party in US was the white supremacist party in the 19th century. There is probably ideological demagoguery involved with them as well.
- fifilura 2y ago
  The difference is how long time has passed. The current party leader joined the youth movement in 1994, when the party was still full of Neo-Nazi ideology.
  - rdtsc 2y ago
    I mean Joe Biden would hang out and campaigned with Byrd, an ex-KKK member. Even came to his funeral in 2010. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/164821-biden-remembers-byrd-as-mentor-and-dear-friend/ https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/164821-biden-rem... > “A mentor and a dear friend” Make what you will of it. Just saying that not that long of a time has passed. We’re talking about the sitting US president.
    - fifilura 2y ago
      Byrd later apologized thoroughly as I understand it. Jimmie Åkesson just says "I saw nothing of that".
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      an ex-KKK member In the 1940s. Mentioning this, but the fact he would publicly denounce the Klan by the end of the decade, and spend the rest of his life profusely apologizing for having been so stupid as a younger person -- is just smear, basically. Byrd later called joining the KKK "the greatest mistake I ever made". In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions".[37] Byrd also said in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened".
      - paulddraper 2y ago
        So people can change their viewpoints from their youth?

Saturnial22 2y ago

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benterix 2y ago

These are two separate things: (1) the party being right-wing, (2) the immigration or more precisely the lack of integration causing problems for the Swedish society. The previous left-wing government that basically said "we're taking everybody" had good intentions but extremely poor execution. Merkel's Germany didn't do much better tbh. In any case, when migrants don't integrate, and you fail to make them do so, you can either ignore the problem hoping it goes away or try to solve it in a way that is human and causes as little suffering as possible.

fifilura 2y ago
Yes, but it is an explanation for how the debate landed. Not everything in politics is pure logic, there are lots of emotions too. Not aligning with neo-nazis is one of those emotions.

paulddraper 2y ago

Does this kind of criticism apply to US parties? Like a pro-slavery party?

rdtsc 2y ago

> from the party that "began as a neo-Nazi movement in the 1980s Good find. By the same token though, the Democratic Party in US was the white supremacist party in the 19th century. There is probably ideological demagoguery involved with them as well.

fifilura 2y ago
The difference is how long time has passed. The current party leader joined the youth movement in 1994, when the party was still full of Neo-Nazi ideology.
- rdtsc 2y ago
  I mean Joe Biden would hang out and campaigned with Byrd, an ex-KKK member. Even came to his funeral in 2010. https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/164821-biden-remembers-byrd-as-mentor-and-dear-friend/ https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/164821-biden-rem... > “A mentor and a dear friend” Make what you will of it. Just saying that not that long of a time has passed. We’re talking about the sitting US president.
  - fifilura 2y ago
    Byrd later apologized thoroughly as I understand it. Jimmie Åkesson just says "I saw nothing of that".
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    an ex-KKK member In the 1940s. Mentioning this, but the fact he would publicly denounce the Klan by the end of the decade, and spend the rest of his life profusely apologizing for having been so stupid as a younger person -- is just smear, basically. Byrd later called joining the KKK "the greatest mistake I ever made". In his last autobiography, Byrd explained that he was a KKK member because he "was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision — a jejune and immature outlook—seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions".[37] Byrd also said in 2005, "I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times … and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened".
    - paulddraper 2y ago
      So people can change their viewpoints from their youth?