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Note also phonaks are traditionally a couple thousand euros a piece while even the most expensive airpods are still around 300 the pair. Certainly the phonaks a

Note also phonaks are traditionally a couple thousand euros a piece while even the most expensive airpods are still around 300 the pair. Certainly the phonaks are impressively small, lasting, good quality, and imperceptible, but is the almost 10x price markup justified? The biggest problem with hearing aids (and doctors/calibrators/whatever) is that they are ridiculously expensive... the attitude/stigma much less so. (And in any case airpods are about the opposite of "imperceptible" so I fail to see any appeal other than the price)

alias_neo 2y ago
I don't think I've ever seen someone with a hearing aid and though anything negative of it, I get it people can be self-conscious, but for something like a hearing aid I think it's unjustified. On the other hand, I can't bring myself to keep earbuds (airpods or w/e) in my ears while talking to someone, regardless of if I can hear them properly, I just seems incredibly rude. My uneducated opinion, is that someone using airpods as hearing aids is more likely to face stigma for that reason, than someone wearing what are clearly hearing aids, unless people actually know they have hearing issues.
- ghaff 2y ago
  It almost certainly depends how social norms develop. When Borg bluetooth earpieces first came out, they definitely carried a tech bro/fin bro/VC/etc. vibe that, at any moment, someone more important than you might want to get in touch with me. I do think Airpods today carry a certain I'm not necessarily giving you my full attention vibe whereas an obvious hearing aid is a medical prosthetic. To the degree that Airpods replace hearing aids for some number of people or just assist people who aren't quite at the prescribed medical device level, that probably changes.
  - AshamedCaptain 2y ago
    The one thing that I do believe Apple managed with the iPhone is the removal of this "tech bro" vibe from carrying a smartphone overall. So I guess it's not entirely out of the question that Apple will remove the stigma from wearing huge headsets 24h long...
    - ghaff 2y ago
      I'm skeptical about big headsets but small earpieces seem headed towards becoming pretty normalized.
    - ghaff 2y ago
      One of the other things that was happening at the time--though not disconnected--is that data charges were getting to the point where normies (or at least reasonably well-paid ones) could at least reasonably consider owning a phone with a data plan even if their company wasn't footing the bill. I bought a Treo a while before the iPhone came out and paid for it on my own after a foot injury that made it difficult to travel with a laptop.
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  A buddy had a girlfriend who had reduced hearing. I noticed that people would raise their voice and really dumb down when speaking to her, like they were talking to a senile elderly. It'd happen before she'd said a word, so they clearly saw the hearing aid and assumed. She admitted she disliked wearing the hearing aids, due to such things. But the alternative was not following conversations, which meant she'd get excluded because she missed important information. Gave me a whole new perspective on hearing loss.
  - tengwar2 2y ago
    It does seem to depend on the hearing aids as to whether people can see them. I have NHS hearing aids - made by GN Resound, I think. I really like them, but as they use sound tubes rather than wires to a speaker in the ear canal (the oddly named "receiver in canal"), they are fairly low end. Ok, so that means I have small tubes snaking in to my ears. I still had to tell a cousin four times that yes, I was wearing hearing aids, and no, I hadn't forgotten them. In fact that was how I got my mother to get hearing aids - I told her I'd been wearing them for three years and she had not noticed. As to being excluded: one of my jobs is funeral officiant. Several times I've found the spouse of the deceased being left out of the funeral conversation because of hearing and I've even been told not to bother talking to them because they won't hear. Every time I've found that we can talk perfectly well - it just needed a bit of effort on my part.
  - AshamedCaptain 2y ago
    Maybe it's because I have been wearing aids through all my life, but I see things this way. I don't care much what stigma wearing one carries, considering the alternative is being "that guy" who needs everything repeated twice, and that is a stigma I hate.
- kasey_junk 2y ago
  I don’t think the stigma is around hearing loss it’s about age. And stigma is probably not the right word, it’s an internal acceptance issue.
  - car 2y ago
    You are right, I thought about it a bit more, and I think it was more vanity for me, since I was fairly young when the hearing loss started. But hearing aids nowadays are so inconspicuous that most people don't even notice them.
- autoexec 2y ago
  > I don't think I've ever seen someone with a hearing aid and though anything negative of it, I get it people can be self-conscious, but for something like a hearing aid I think it's unjustified. Neither have I. On the other hand, I have seen people wearing air pods and thought they looked ridiculous, as if they had qtips sticking out of their ears. Especially if they're sticking out at different angles.

alias_neo 2y ago

I don't think I've ever seen someone with a hearing aid and though anything negative of it, I get it people can be self-conscious, but for something like a hearing aid I think it's unjustified. On the other hand, I can't bring myself to keep earbuds (airpods or w/e) in my ears while talking to someone, regardless of if I can hear them properly, I just seems incredibly rude. My uneducated opinion, is that someone using airpods as hearing aids is more likely to face stigma for that reason, than someone wearing what are clearly hearing aids, unless people actually know they have hearing issues.

ghaff 2y ago
It almost certainly depends how social norms develop. When Borg bluetooth earpieces first came out, they definitely carried a tech bro/fin bro/VC/etc. vibe that, at any moment, someone more important than you might want to get in touch with me. I do think Airpods today carry a certain I'm not necessarily giving you my full attention vibe whereas an obvious hearing aid is a medical prosthetic. To the degree that Airpods replace hearing aids for some number of people or just assist people who aren't quite at the prescribed medical device level, that probably changes.
- AshamedCaptain 2y ago
  The one thing that I do believe Apple managed with the iPhone is the removal of this "tech bro" vibe from carrying a smartphone overall. So I guess it's not entirely out of the question that Apple will remove the stigma from wearing huge headsets 24h long...
  - ghaff 2y ago
    I'm skeptical about big headsets but small earpieces seem headed towards becoming pretty normalized.
  - ghaff 2y ago
    One of the other things that was happening at the time--though not disconnected--is that data charges were getting to the point where normies (or at least reasonably well-paid ones) could at least reasonably consider owning a phone with a data plan even if their company wasn't footing the bill. I bought a Treo a while before the iPhone came out and paid for it on my own after a foot injury that made it difficult to travel with a laptop.
magicalhippo 2y ago
A buddy had a girlfriend who had reduced hearing. I noticed that people would raise their voice and really dumb down when speaking to her, like they were talking to a senile elderly. It'd happen before she'd said a word, so they clearly saw the hearing aid and assumed. She admitted she disliked wearing the hearing aids, due to such things. But the alternative was not following conversations, which meant she'd get excluded because she missed important information. Gave me a whole new perspective on hearing loss.
- tengwar2 2y ago
  It does seem to depend on the hearing aids as to whether people can see them. I have NHS hearing aids - made by GN Resound, I think. I really like them, but as they use sound tubes rather than wires to a speaker in the ear canal (the oddly named "receiver in canal"), they are fairly low end. Ok, so that means I have small tubes snaking in to my ears. I still had to tell a cousin four times that yes, I was wearing hearing aids, and no, I hadn't forgotten them. In fact that was how I got my mother to get hearing aids - I told her I'd been wearing them for three years and she had not noticed. As to being excluded: one of my jobs is funeral officiant. Several times I've found the spouse of the deceased being left out of the funeral conversation because of hearing and I've even been told not to bother talking to them because they won't hear. Every time I've found that we can talk perfectly well - it just needed a bit of effort on my part.
- AshamedCaptain 2y ago
  Maybe it's because I have been wearing aids through all my life, but I see things this way. I don't care much what stigma wearing one carries, considering the alternative is being "that guy" who needs everything repeated twice, and that is a stigma I hate.
kasey_junk 2y ago
I don’t think the stigma is around hearing loss it’s about age. And stigma is probably not the right word, it’s an internal acceptance issue.
- car 2y ago
  You are right, I thought about it a bit more, and I think it was more vanity for me, since I was fairly young when the hearing loss started. But hearing aids nowadays are so inconspicuous that most people don't even notice them.
autoexec 2y ago
> I don't think I've ever seen someone with a hearing aid and though anything negative of it, I get it people can be self-conscious, but for something like a hearing aid I think it's unjustified. Neither have I. On the other hand, I have seen people wearing air pods and thought they looked ridiculous, as if they had qtips sticking out of their ears. Especially if they're sticking out at different angles.