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Nonsense. What deregulation? You think rivers in the uk were pristine or even just cleaner 15 years ago? lol, they were not.

by hayd 2y ago

jodrellblank 2y ago
Lol, they were. “In its evidence to the committee, the Environment Agency said that in 2021 the environmental performance of water companies was “at its lowest ever level” and the performance of most companies was declining.”” - https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/cleaning-up-failures-in-water-and-sewage-regulation-industry-and-regulators-committee-report/ https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/cleaning-up-failures-in-w... “Sewage spills in the UK hit a record high in 2023, amplifying public anger at the state of the country's dirty rivers and the private companies responsible for the pollution, such as the country's biggest supplier, Thames Water.” - https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-aims-curb-water-pollution-with-tougher-penalties-stronger-regulation-2024-09-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-aims-curb-wa...
- jagged-chisel 2y ago
  That tells us nothing useful about the state of things 15+yrs ago. Only that 2023 was the worst. Could have been bad for 100yrs, just the worst in 2023.
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    I’m inclined to think the words would not be so scathing if we were talking about a 5% increase in pollution. Maybe I’m too optimistic?
    - robertlagrant 2y ago
      Everything gets spun, but the simplest way I can understand this is that water shouldn't be getting dirtier in England. It should be cleaner. Of course the regulate-everything crowd will jump on this as delicious confirmation bias, but there are also plenty of sensible people who also think this is worth investigating and enforcing.
  - jodrellblank 2y ago
    It tells us enough to counter the low effort "even just cleaner 15 years ago? lol, they were not". If 2023 was the worst it had ever been, then they were cleaner at all points in the past. Q.E.D.

Nonsense. What deregulation? You think rivers in the uk were pristine or even just cleaner 15 years ago? lol, they were not.

by hayd 2y ago

Nonsense. What deregulation? You think rivers in the uk were pristine or even just cleaner 15 years ago? lol, they were not.

jodrellblank 2y ago

Lol, they were. “In its evidence to the committee, the Environment Agency said that in 2021 the environmental performance of water companies was “at its lowest ever level” and the performance of most companies was declining.”” - https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/cleaning-up-failures-in-water-and-sewage-regulation-industry-and-regulators-committee-report/ https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/cleaning-up-failures-in-w... “Sewage spills in the UK hit a record high in 2023, amplifying public anger at the state of the country's dirty rivers and the private companies responsible for the pollution, such as the country's biggest supplier, Thames Water.” - https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-aims-curb-water-pollution-with-tougher-penalties-stronger-regulation-2024-09-05/ https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/uk-aims-curb-wa...

jagged-chisel 2y ago
That tells us nothing useful about the state of things 15+yrs ago. Only that 2023 was the worst. Could have been bad for 100yrs, just the worst in 2023.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  I’m inclined to think the words would not be so scathing if we were talking about a 5% increase in pollution. Maybe I’m too optimistic?
  - robertlagrant 2y ago
    Everything gets spun, but the simplest way I can understand this is that water shouldn't be getting dirtier in England. It should be cleaner. Of course the regulate-everything crowd will jump on this as delicious confirmation bias, but there are also plenty of sensible people who also think this is worth investigating and enforcing.
- jodrellblank 2y ago
  It tells us enough to counter the low effort "even just cleaner 15 years ago? lol, they were not". If 2023 was the worst it had ever been, then they were cleaner at all points in the past. Q.E.D.