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A good AI girlfriend wouldn't be a therapist but would mimics every aspect of a girlfriend, including arguments and fights and makeups, because that's how bondi

by kiba 2y ago

A good AI girlfriend wouldn't be a therapist but would mimics every aspect of a girlfriend, including arguments and fights and makeups, because that's how bonding occurs. That's going to be how successful AI girlfriend will be made.

l0ng1nu5 2y ago
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- ZoomZoomZoom 2y ago
  Why? They're common people, not sociopaths.
  - Loughla 2y ago
    I think maybe it's my own personal bias, but it does feel like anyone who pays money for an AI girlfriend really won't want it to disagree with them. I believe they'll want an idyllic and fantasy version of a relationship.
    - dwattttt 2y ago
      I dunno how sustainable that scenario is, because it brings to mind the maybe apocryphal Chinese curse "may you be granted everything you wish for".
    - fsckboy 2y ago
      you are saying that the ai gf will not be like a real human female, but you are not making any argument that there is a defect in the bf's attachment to the gf.
    - SoftTalker 2y ago
      Agree. The only advantage of an AI girlfriend is that you can shut her off when you're finished with her.
    - atmavatar 2y ago
      While I grant that some and perhaps even most people won't want the AI girlfriend to disagree, there are some out there who treat arguments as a necessary and desirable spice in a relationship. That said, I can't really think of anything that would be worth arguing with an AI over.
    - kiba 2y ago
      AI girlfriend that always agree with you and never contradict anything you say isn't going to be as addicting as an AI girlfriend who on occasion disagree with you.
  - stonogo 2y ago
    I'd say the set of people who want an AI girlfriend and the set of people whose defining trait is a lack of empathy is probably a bigger overlap than you think.
    - fsckboy 2y ago
      lack of empathy does not stand in the way of forming an attachment. Empathy is a good feature for keeping a partner, but the ai doesn't care about that. It feels like people on your side of the argument are making a sort of moral/judgmental argument, "if you can't hold up your side of the bargain, you don't deserve an ai gf"
    - Johanx64 2y ago
      > I'd say the set of people who want an AI girlfriend and the set of people whose defining trait is a lack of empathy is probably a bigger overlap than you think. The defining trait of people who want an AI girlfriend is ugly, lonely men. Is lack of empathy the defining characteristic of ugly men? Or is it simply that people in general hate ugly people and thus ascribe various ills and character faults to them? I'd say the set of people that disparage undesirable lonely men that desire AI girlfriend are usually those whose defining trait is severe lack of empathy. This is blatantly obvious here.
      - stonogo 2y ago
        I know plenty of ugly men in committed, loving relationships. You're the one bringing up looks. I don't think it matters what you look like; if you want to date a computer you have some kind of psychiactric disorder.
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        imtringued 2y ago
        Ok, but then there is also the increasing number of women who don't want a boyfriend either because they want a same sex relationship or because they can't find a man on their educational level, since women graduate at a higher rate. The reason is mostly irrelevant, what matters is that supply and demand are imbalanced and one side has to deal with not getting what they want in one way or another.
  - habinero 2y ago
    If you can only bond with computer software and not other humans, there's something pathological going on there. You definitely have some severe issues that should be worked out in therapy.
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- imtringued 2y ago
  I would expect them to have a greater desire for bonding than someone who has already been through a dozen relationships or possibly a divorce.
squigz 2y ago
Nobody is going to pay for an AI girlfriend service for it to breakup with the user and refuse to get back together - because that's how growth happens in reality. What AI girlfriends will do is mimic perfect Hollywood relationships, complete with hot makeup sex.
- cruffle_duffle 2y ago
  Isn’t there a rule on the internet that says “if you can imagine it, there is porn for it” and “if there isn’t porn for it, somebody is making it”? I’m pretty sure that applies to this scenario too. I’m 100% sure that there exists a set of customers who would pay good money to get dumped by a realistic AI girlfriend. And once dumped they’ll turn around and pay for the next AI model to dump them only in some other fashion. Maybe the AI model thinks the customers anatomy is the wrong dimensions? Maybe they smell? Maybe they are too short or tall? Perhaps the AI “girlfriend” is a triple tentacled sea monster who wants to return to oceans on Titan? Doesn’t matter. Somebody will pay very good money to experance it. You want a hot quad breasted space babe who cheats on you with bubble wrap covered little people? Done. Want that with extra bondage? Done. This is the internet after all. Why pay for a boring “normal” AI girlfriend when the sky is the limit? I say, use your imagination.
jjmarr 2y ago
Your assumption is that the status quo provides those things. Nowadays, people will break up as soon as they get "the ick" or just have a rotating group of people they see. Lasting relationships are much less common than they used to be because it's easier to switch partners. People just want to chase a local maximum of constant validation that they're pretty/smart/correct. They don't see or understand the value in working through fights to create something beyond the sum of two people. AI excels at maintaining that local maximum. It can confidently reassure you better than any human can even if you're wrong. AI partners following this are successful now and people in their teens and early 20s are being hooked en masse. Historically, superior pieces of technology haven't displaced older incumbents when the learning curve is too steep. I don't see why a person dating an AI partner that has lovebombed them for several years would switch to another AI (or a person) that starts fights and bickers. Even if it's better in the long-term, that's still a marked decrease in short-term satisfaction.
- bitzun 2y ago
  > people in their teens and early 20s are being hooked en masse. Any reference for the scale of this? It feels unlikely to me from my bubble but I only know one or two people I think would be likely to try it.
  - jjmarr 2y ago
    https://www.ark-invest.com/articles/analyst-research/is-ai-companionship-the-next-frontier-in-digital-entertainment https://www.ark-invest.com/articles/analyst-research/is-ai-c... The biggest callout is that NSFW AI already has 10% relative market share compared to OnlyFans. And there are no frontier models in that market.
- kiba 2y ago
  The whole point of having fights and arguments at just the right level is to maximize engagement, retention and ultimately making money for the corporation. I was imagining the most diabolical addictive AI girlfriend. That's necessarily going to include 'negative' elements.
knighthack 2y ago
There are many successful relationships that don't involve arguments - and which are about constant peace. Relationships don't require 'arguments and fights and makeups' to be real. And if AI girlfriends offer 'ideal relationships', how is that not 'good'? You are conflating what people actually want with the artificial drama of TV shows and Hollywood/the messy scenario of reality. If people can pay to get their fantasy girlfriends/relationships brought to life, they will, and it will be successful especially if all forms of conflict/relationship dissatisfaction can be avoided.
- kiba 2y ago
  There are many successful relationships that don't involve arguments - and which are about constant peace. I am not saying things about successful relationship. I am merely pointing out how exploitation of users can occur. Emotional bonding often occur in orderal and other challenging events. It is one of the tools that companies will use to push users' button and to exploit them for economic value. And if AI girlfriends offer 'ideal relationships', how is that not 'good'? Ideal relationships aren't necessarily good for AI companies' pocketbook.
  - nasmorn 2y ago
    Bonding to a computer program under control of a corporation is like looking for a sociopath as a partner explicitly. You would lose complete control of your life to the other side. Reciprocity is off the table completely.

by kiba 2y ago

l0ng1nu5 2y ago

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ZoomZoomZoom 2y ago
Why? They're common people, not sociopaths.
- Loughla 2y ago
  I think maybe it's my own personal bias, but it does feel like anyone who pays money for an AI girlfriend really won't want it to disagree with them. I believe they'll want an idyllic and fantasy version of a relationship.
  - dwattttt 2y ago
    I dunno how sustainable that scenario is, because it brings to mind the maybe apocryphal Chinese curse "may you be granted everything you wish for".
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    you are saying that the ai gf will not be like a real human female, but you are not making any argument that there is a defect in the bf's attachment to the gf.
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    Agree. The only advantage of an AI girlfriend is that you can shut her off when you're finished with her.
  - atmavatar 2y ago
    While I grant that some and perhaps even most people won't want the AI girlfriend to disagree, there are some out there who treat arguments as a necessary and desirable spice in a relationship. That said, I can't really think of anything that would be worth arguing with an AI over.
  - kiba 2y ago
    AI girlfriend that always agree with you and never contradict anything you say isn't going to be as addicting as an AI girlfriend who on occasion disagree with you.
- stonogo 2y ago
  I'd say the set of people who want an AI girlfriend and the set of people whose defining trait is a lack of empathy is probably a bigger overlap than you think.
  - fsckboy 2y ago
    lack of empathy does not stand in the way of forming an attachment. Empathy is a good feature for keeping a partner, but the ai doesn't care about that. It feels like people on your side of the argument are making a sort of moral/judgmental argument, "if you can't hold up your side of the bargain, you don't deserve an ai gf"
  - Johanx64 2y ago
    > I'd say the set of people who want an AI girlfriend and the set of people whose defining trait is a lack of empathy is probably a bigger overlap than you think. The defining trait of people who want an AI girlfriend is ugly, lonely men. Is lack of empathy the defining characteristic of ugly men? Or is it simply that people in general hate ugly people and thus ascribe various ills and character faults to them? I'd say the set of people that disparage undesirable lonely men that desire AI girlfriend are usually those whose defining trait is severe lack of empathy. This is blatantly obvious here.
    - stonogo 2y ago
      I know plenty of ugly men in committed, loving relationships. You're the one bringing up looks. I don't think it matters what you look like; if you want to date a computer you have some kind of psychiactric disorder.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - imtringued 2y ago
        Ok, but then there is also the increasing number of women who don't want a boyfriend either because they want a same sex relationship or because they can't find a man on their educational level, since women graduate at a higher rate. The reason is mostly irrelevant, what matters is that supply and demand are imbalanced and one side has to deal with not getting what they want in one way or another.
- habinero 2y ago
  If you can only bond with computer software and not other humans, there's something pathological going on there. You definitely have some severe issues that should be worked out in therapy.
deleted 2y ago
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imtringued 2y ago
I would expect them to have a greater desire for bonding than someone who has already been through a dozen relationships or possibly a divorce.

squigz 2y ago

Nobody is going to pay for an AI girlfriend service for it to breakup with the user and refuse to get back together - because that's how growth happens in reality. What AI girlfriends will do is mimic perfect Hollywood relationships, complete with hot makeup sex.

cruffle_duffle 2y ago
Isn’t there a rule on the internet that says “if you can imagine it, there is porn for it” and “if there isn’t porn for it, somebody is making it”? I’m pretty sure that applies to this scenario too. I’m 100% sure that there exists a set of customers who would pay good money to get dumped by a realistic AI girlfriend. And once dumped they’ll turn around and pay for the next AI model to dump them only in some other fashion. Maybe the AI model thinks the customers anatomy is the wrong dimensions? Maybe they smell? Maybe they are too short or tall? Perhaps the AI “girlfriend” is a triple tentacled sea monster who wants to return to oceans on Titan? Doesn’t matter. Somebody will pay very good money to experance it. You want a hot quad breasted space babe who cheats on you with bubble wrap covered little people? Done. Want that with extra bondage? Done. This is the internet after all. Why pay for a boring “normal” AI girlfriend when the sky is the limit? I say, use your imagination.

jjmarr 2y ago

Your assumption is that the status quo provides those things. Nowadays, people will break up as soon as they get "the ick" or just have a rotating group of people they see. Lasting relationships are much less common than they used to be because it's easier to switch partners. People just want to chase a local maximum of constant validation that they're pretty/smart/correct. They don't see or understand the value in working through fights to create something beyond the sum of two people. AI excels at maintaining that local maximum. It can confidently reassure you better than any human can even if you're wrong. AI partners following this are successful now and people in their teens and early 20s are being hooked en masse. Historically, superior pieces of technology haven't displaced older incumbents when the learning curve is too steep. I don't see why a person dating an AI partner that has lovebombed them for several years would switch to another AI (or a person) that starts fights and bickers. Even if it's better in the long-term, that's still a marked decrease in short-term satisfaction.

bitzun 2y ago
> people in their teens and early 20s are being hooked en masse. Any reference for the scale of this? It feels unlikely to me from my bubble but I only know one or two people I think would be likely to try it.
- jjmarr 2y ago
  https://www.ark-invest.com/articles/analyst-research/is-ai-companionship-the-next-frontier-in-digital-entertainment https://www.ark-invest.com/articles/analyst-research/is-ai-c... The biggest callout is that NSFW AI already has 10% relative market share compared to OnlyFans. And there are no frontier models in that market.
kiba 2y ago
The whole point of having fights and arguments at just the right level is to maximize engagement, retention and ultimately making money for the corporation. I was imagining the most diabolical addictive AI girlfriend. That's necessarily going to include 'negative' elements.

knighthack 2y ago

There are many successful relationships that don't involve arguments - and which are about constant peace. Relationships don't require 'arguments and fights and makeups' to be real. And if AI girlfriends offer 'ideal relationships', how is that not 'good'? You are conflating what people actually want with the artificial drama of TV shows and Hollywood/the messy scenario of reality. If people can pay to get their fantasy girlfriends/relationships brought to life, they will, and it will be successful especially if all forms of conflict/relationship dissatisfaction can be avoided.

kiba 2y ago
There are many successful relationships that don't involve arguments - and which are about constant peace. I am not saying things about successful relationship. I am merely pointing out how exploitation of users can occur. Emotional bonding often occur in orderal and other challenging events. It is one of the tools that companies will use to push users' button and to exploit them for economic value. And if AI girlfriends offer 'ideal relationships', how is that not 'good'? Ideal relationships aren't necessarily good for AI companies' pocketbook.
- nasmorn 2y ago
  Bonding to a computer program under control of a corporation is like looking for a sociopath as a partner explicitly. You would lose complete control of your life to the other side. Reciprocity is off the table completely.