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Well the bigger problem with Nespresso is the coffee/espresso tastes horrible and you have to deal with the waste.

by ben7799 2y ago

tssva 2y ago
Based upon the sales of Nespresso machines and pods a lot of people seem to disagree with you regarding the taste.
- talldayo 2y ago
  People don't buy Nespresso for the taste, they buy it for the convenience. If it was actually a superior method of serving coffee, then everyone would use it. Alas.
  - kube-system 2y ago
    > If it was actually a superior method of serving coffee, then everyone would use it. If there's anything that "everyone uses" it's the venerable Mr. Coffee 10/12 Cup drip brewers that have dominated the US market for 40+ years. They're popular for many reasons, but today, superior taste isn't one of them.
  - tssva 2y ago
    People wouldn't use Nespresso pods if they found them to be horrible tasting, as you claim they are, no matter how convenient they are. They use them because they both enjoy the taste and find them convenient. Most people like the taste of Nespresso pods, k-cups, drip coffee and Starbucks. The sales of all 4 reflect that.
    - Arch-TK 2y ago
      They taste horrible compared to a good coffee, but they do taste better than crappy coffee shop espresso served in any country where espresso is not a common drink.
      - tssva 2y ago
        Plenty of people find them to be quite tasty and many people don't particularly like what you are calling good coffee. Coffee snobbery is like most snobbery it says more about the person being snobby.
        Arch-TK 2y ago
        You don't know what I am calling a good coffee. I appreciate some people don't like particularly sour coffee because it's unusual for them but you can do a lot better than nespresso in the realm of that style of darker roast coffee too. It's really simple, people are happy with it because actually good coffee is so rare that they have nothing to compare against. I also doubt most of these people have ever drank a well brewed light roast espresso anyway so I think your blanket statement about "many people don't particularly like what you are calling good coffee" is bullshit.
        tssva 2y ago
        Or maybe they have tried it and don't like it. Maybe it is your taste that is screwed up and that is why you like light roast espresso. But either way even if Neapresso isn't the best coffee it isn't horrible.
        Arch-TK 2y ago
        > Or maybe they have tried it and don't like it. The vast majority of people have not tried well brewed coffee. Of those who have tried well brewed coffee, the vast majority have not tried well brewed light roast. The main reason is similar to how most people have not tried well prepared food. The reason is not, as you seem to insinuate, because I am a coffee snob who is incapable of conceding that different people have different tastes. Another reason is because in most of the world people drink coffee with various inclusions like heaps of sugar (Italy) and heaps of milk (the rest of the world) and because, as a result, almost no cafe out there optimises for black coffee outside of countries like Italy. Most people who drink coffee black (even in Italy) seem to do it either because they got used to how bad it tastes, or because of dietary reasons, or because they feel it makes them look more manly. > Maybe it is your taste that is screwed up and that is why you like light roast espresso. Again, you are assuming completely incorrectly and baselessly that I am claiming that light roast espresso is better than nespresso pods. I am not claiming this in the slightest. I am claiming that any good dark roast espresso is miles ahead of anything you can get out of a nespresso pod. Both in terms of not tasting like wood and in terms of not tasting like light roast. Even petrol station cafes in Italy can produce much better results than a Nespresso machine and Italy continues to love drinking dark roasted Robusta/Arabica blends with heaps of sugar. Likewise, any petrol station cafe in Italy can produce espresso which is so much better than what you can get in a Starbucks that it's difficult to conceive of why Starbucks even offers espresso any more. (And again, this is me talking about coffee in a country where people are used to drinking dark roast and would also likely be at least weirded out by the taste of light roast coffee.) > But either way even if Nespresso isn't the best coffee it isn't horrible. It's horrible in comparison to a high quality brew in the same way that McDonalds is horrible compared to anything you would get at a well respected high end restaurant. You only think it's not horrible because you have limited experience. Yes, even in the realm of dark roast espresso. Edit: I would also like you to consider the possibility that you personally (and maybe most people) simply do not have a sense of taste which is discerning enough to taste the difference between what someone with a more discerning taste would consider "good" coffee versus "horrible" coffee. This doesn't mean that we can't make quality judgements about coffees once they're above a certain level of awfully bitter/sour/astringent and unpleasant, but it does mean that maybe for you and for the vast majority of people, you shouldn't worry about "excellent" coffee and should instead just get on with your life. I would like to just state that I am overjoyed to hear that you have found coffee you like to drink every day. There are lots of people out there whose experience of coffee has always been terrible (and it is my belief that most of them, with some help to explore, could probably find something they find inoffensive or even tasty). But rather than telling people who seem care more about coffee than you that they are snobs and their opinions of coffee are wrong, maybe you should also accept that not everyone has the same sense of taste as you. I know the above sounds contradictory when I called Starbucks and Nespresso "horrible" but I would like to clarify things by saying that while I find Nespresso horrible in the grand scheme of things, if it makes you happy, you shouldn't listen to my opinion of it and instead enjoy it. On the other hand, if you do find coffee to be generally unpleasant, horrible, or even sub-par, then I encourage you to explore and consider opening your mind to the possibility that there is a coffee out there that you would enjoy. Every morning I make a coffee for someone I love, which I would personally not enjoy drinking very much, but which she enjoys immensely. I offer her to try the coffee I like, and on most occasions she is either indifferent about it or hates it and this is fine, I do not try to explain to her that she is wrong, I just try to cater to her particular tastes with a high quality coffee and preparation method that she likes.
    - amelius 2y ago
      You can actually get accustomed to the bad taste. It happened to me. But then I started drinking coffee at work again and out went my nespresso machine.
      - wkat4242 2y ago
        You have actually good coffee at work?? The only office I know in our work where the coffee is decent is the one in Paris where they have a real coffee bar inside the office with a real barista (and cost-price pricing). But in all the other offices we just have vending machines that spit out horrible swill.
      - tssva 2y ago
        Or you just have different tastes. Your taste isn't necessarily any better. It is just different. I like brussel sprouts and many find them disgusting. Doesn't mean my taste is better than theirs.
        amelius 2y ago
        No, I started drinking better coffee at work and hence found out that I was accustomed to drinking bad coffee.
        tssva 2y ago
        Or you just discovered you personally prefer that coffee. Just because that is your preference doesn't make someone else's preference bad.
        amelius 2y ago
        Well, I tried a lot of the different Nespresso options, also the Starbucks cups.
- Arch-TK 2y ago
  People still buy supermarket instant. I think the problem is actually that people don't know what good coffee tastes like, nor do they care.
  - tssva 2y ago
    If it tastes good to them then it is good coffee. Could it just be case of different strokes for different folks and some wanting to feel superior?
    - Arch-TK 2y ago
      Or they have no perspective. See my other comment.
      - tssva 2y ago
        That comment definitely makes me lean towards you just liking to feel superior.
        Arch-TK 2y ago
        Or maybe it is you who likes to feel superior to people with an interest in coffee? e.g. "It makes decent espresso and the money, time and mental energy for getting a slightly better espresso through a more expensive machine is just not worth it to me." If you think that time, money and experience can only produce a "slightly better espresso" then I will just say you are not experienced enough to make such a claim. Rather than accepting that maybe to some there is a big difference, you call them snobs.
  - karolist 2y ago
    I'd argue most people don't even like coffee, they drink it for the caffeine.
    - Arch-TK 2y ago
      I think I would agree that most people don't like their experience of black coffee. Whether that's because there is no coffee or brewing method out there that, when served black, would satisfy them, or because they've just not had the chance to taste what they would consider good coffee, of that I am not sure.
talldayo 2y ago
Bingo. My barista opinion is that every Nespresso tastes like a Cafe Americano a-la Keurig. You can buy a $4 bag of Cafe Bustelo (pre-ground) and get both better tasting and cheaper espresso. If anyone in this thread is considering a Nespresso/Keurig, I'd highly recommend they consider a similarly-priced espresso machine for multiple reasons. Compared to ESE (easy serve espresso), Nespresso is the Juicero of coffee.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  If you make it a long drink yes (which you shouldn't as it overextracts). If you run it on the short program it's pretty strong. At least with local pods here in Spain.
  - hocuspocus 2y ago
    Following Nespresso's own recommendations, the shortest program is still pulling 25 ml through <6g of coffee. A far cry from a proper 1:2 espresso, let alone ristretto.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      Yeah ristretto it's not. But I do like some liquid and not too much caffeine. I usually drink doubles with 1 normal and 1 decaf so I don't end up bouncing :P
wkat4242 2y ago
It's not bad, many real espressos I buy in local coffee shops for a euro (This is Spain, things are cheap) are worse.
- Arch-TK 2y ago
  If you're not in a country where people regularly drink espresso then this is the problem you will find with literally every single non-specialty coffee shop. That being said, while crap coffee shop espresso is worse than nespresso, nespresso is still trash in compared to an espresso someone put in even 10 minutes of effort into dialling in.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    But Spain is a country where people regularly drink espresso. It's the standard coffee type here :) Yet Nespresso (well mostly the aftermarket capsules) is very popular here.
    - Arch-TK 2y ago
      I mean, Nespresso is also very popular in Italy despite it tasting strictly worse than anything you can get even at the worst cafes there but I think it's because drinking espresso with sugar is very popular in Italy and sugar goes an incredible way towards making a lot of mediocre espresso taste the same as good espresso (because the sugar is overpowering).
      - wkat4242 2y ago
        People in Spain don't generally put a lot of sugar in their coffee. They do often take a bit of milk though, not a lot (it's called 'cortado'). But coffee culture in Italy vs Spain is distinctly different despite both enjoying espressos. Italy takes their coffee much more seriously (and really, all foods and drinks in general). Whereas in Spain they don't really care so much. Like pizza with pineapple, or cutting spaghetti with a knife, if you do similar things with Spanish food (e.g. like paella with vegetables) people don't care - except the Valencians :)
ndsipa_pomu 2y ago
The main worst thing about Nespresso capsules is the waste and the staleness. The two worst things about Nespresso are the waste, the staleness and the expense. The three worst things about Nespresso are the waste, the staleness and the expense and supporting such a corrupt mega-corporation. Amongst the worst things about Nespresso... hold on, I'll come in again.
- fransje26 2y ago
  Please think of the shareholders and let yourself out.

Well the bigger problem with Nespresso is the coffee/espresso tastes horrible and you have to deal with the waste.

tssva 2y ago

Based upon the sales of Nespresso machines and pods a lot of people seem to disagree with you regarding the taste.

talldayo 2y ago
People don't buy Nespresso for the taste, they buy it for the convenience. If it was actually a superior method of serving coffee, then everyone would use it. Alas.
- kube-system 2y ago
  > If it was actually a superior method of serving coffee, then everyone would use it. If there's anything that "everyone uses" it's the venerable Mr. Coffee 10/12 Cup drip brewers that have dominated the US market for 40+ years. They're popular for many reasons, but today, superior taste isn't one of them.
- tssva 2y ago
  People wouldn't use Nespresso pods if they found them to be horrible tasting, as you claim they are, no matter how convenient they are. They use them because they both enjoy the taste and find them convenient. Most people like the taste of Nespresso pods, k-cups, drip coffee and Starbucks. The sales of all 4 reflect that.
  - Arch-TK 2y ago
    They taste horrible compared to a good coffee, but they do taste better than crappy coffee shop espresso served in any country where espresso is not a common drink.
    - tssva 2y ago
      Plenty of people find them to be quite tasty and many people don't particularly like what you are calling good coffee. Coffee snobbery is like most snobbery it says more about the person being snobby.
      - Arch-TK 2y ago
        You don't know what I am calling a good coffee. I appreciate some people don't like particularly sour coffee because it's unusual for them but you can do a lot better than nespresso in the realm of that style of darker roast coffee too. It's really simple, people are happy with it because actually good coffee is so rare that they have nothing to compare against. I also doubt most of these people have ever drank a well brewed light roast espresso anyway so I think your blanket statement about "many people don't particularly like what you are calling good coffee" is bullshit.
        tssva 2y ago
        Or maybe they have tried it and don't like it. Maybe it is your taste that is screwed up and that is why you like light roast espresso. But either way even if Neapresso isn't the best coffee it isn't horrible.
        Arch-TK 2y ago
        > Or maybe they have tried it and don't like it. The vast majority of people have not tried well brewed coffee. Of those who have tried well brewed coffee, the vast majority have not tried well brewed light roast. The main reason is similar to how most people have not tried well prepared food. The reason is not, as you seem to insinuate, because I am a coffee snob who is incapable of conceding that different people have different tastes. Another reason is because in most of the world people drink coffee with various inclusions like heaps of sugar (Italy) and heaps of milk (the rest of the world) and because, as a result, almost no cafe out there optimises for black coffee outside of countries like Italy. Most people who drink coffee black (even in Italy) seem to do it either because they got used to how bad it tastes, or because of dietary reasons, or because they feel it makes them look more manly. > Maybe it is your taste that is screwed up and that is why you like light roast espresso. Again, you are assuming completely incorrectly and baselessly that I am claiming that light roast espresso is better than nespresso pods. I am not claiming this in the slightest. I am claiming that any good dark roast espresso is miles ahead of anything you can get out of a nespresso pod. Both in terms of not tasting like wood and in terms of not tasting like light roast. Even petrol station cafes in Italy can produce much better results than a Nespresso machine and Italy continues to love drinking dark roasted Robusta/Arabica blends with heaps of sugar. Likewise, any petrol station cafe in Italy can produce espresso which is so much better than what you can get in a Starbucks that it's difficult to conceive of why Starbucks even offers espresso any more. (And again, this is me talking about coffee in a country where people are used to drinking dark roast and would also likely be at least weirded out by the taste of light roast coffee.) > But either way even if Nespresso isn't the best coffee it isn't horrible. It's horrible in comparison to a high quality brew in the same way that McDonalds is horrible compared to anything you would get at a well respected high end restaurant. You only think it's not horrible because you have limited experience. Yes, even in the realm of dark roast espresso. Edit: I would also like you to consider the possibility that you personally (and maybe most people) simply do not have a sense of taste which is discerning enough to taste the difference between what someone with a more discerning taste would consider "good" coffee versus "horrible" coffee. This doesn't mean that we can't make quality judgements about coffees once they're above a certain level of awfully bitter/sour/astringent and unpleasant, but it does mean that maybe for you and for the vast majority of people, you shouldn't worry about "excellent" coffee and should instead just get on with your life. I would like to just state that I am overjoyed to hear that you have found coffee you like to drink every day. There are lots of people out there whose experience of coffee has always been terrible (and it is my belief that most of them, with some help to explore, could probably find something they find inoffensive or even tasty). But rather than telling people who seem care more about coffee than you that they are snobs and their opinions of coffee are wrong, maybe you should also accept that not everyone has the same sense of taste as you. I know the above sounds contradictory when I called Starbucks and Nespresso "horrible" but I would like to clarify things by saying that while I find Nespresso horrible in the grand scheme of things, if it makes you happy, you shouldn't listen to my opinion of it and instead enjoy it. On the other hand, if you do find coffee to be generally unpleasant, horrible, or even sub-par, then I encourage you to explore and consider opening your mind to the possibility that there is a coffee out there that you would enjoy. Every morning I make a coffee for someone I love, which I would personally not enjoy drinking very much, but which she enjoys immensely. I offer her to try the coffee I like, and on most occasions she is either indifferent about it or hates it and this is fine, I do not try to explain to her that she is wrong, I just try to cater to her particular tastes with a high quality coffee and preparation method that she likes.
  - amelius 2y ago
    You can actually get accustomed to the bad taste. It happened to me. But then I started drinking coffee at work again and out went my nespresso machine.
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      You have actually good coffee at work?? The only office I know in our work where the coffee is decent is the one in Paris where they have a real coffee bar inside the office with a real barista (and cost-price pricing). But in all the other offices we just have vending machines that spit out horrible swill.
    - tssva 2y ago
      Or you just have different tastes. Your taste isn't necessarily any better. It is just different. I like brussel sprouts and many find them disgusting. Doesn't mean my taste is better than theirs.
      - amelius 2y ago
        No, I started drinking better coffee at work and hence found out that I was accustomed to drinking bad coffee.
        tssva 2y ago
        Or you just discovered you personally prefer that coffee. Just because that is your preference doesn't make someone else's preference bad.
        amelius 2y ago
        Well, I tried a lot of the different Nespresso options, also the Starbucks cups.
Arch-TK 2y ago
People still buy supermarket instant. I think the problem is actually that people don't know what good coffee tastes like, nor do they care.
- tssva 2y ago
  If it tastes good to them then it is good coffee. Could it just be case of different strokes for different folks and some wanting to feel superior?
  - Arch-TK 2y ago
    Or they have no perspective. See my other comment.
    - tssva 2y ago
      That comment definitely makes me lean towards you just liking to feel superior.
      - Arch-TK 2y ago
        Or maybe it is you who likes to feel superior to people with an interest in coffee? e.g. "It makes decent espresso and the money, time and mental energy for getting a slightly better espresso through a more expensive machine is just not worth it to me." If you think that time, money and experience can only produce a "slightly better espresso" then I will just say you are not experienced enough to make such a claim. Rather than accepting that maybe to some there is a big difference, you call them snobs.
- karolist 2y ago
  I'd argue most people don't even like coffee, they drink it for the caffeine.
  - Arch-TK 2y ago
    I think I would agree that most people don't like their experience of black coffee. Whether that's because there is no coffee or brewing method out there that, when served black, would satisfy them, or because they've just not had the chance to taste what they would consider good coffee, of that I am not sure.

talldayo 2y ago

Bingo. My barista opinion is that every Nespresso tastes like a Cafe Americano a-la Keurig. You can buy a $4 bag of Cafe Bustelo (pre-ground) and get both better tasting and cheaper espresso. If anyone in this thread is considering a Nespresso/Keurig, I'd highly recommend they consider a similarly-priced espresso machine for multiple reasons. Compared to ESE (easy serve espresso), Nespresso is the Juicero of coffee.

wkat4242 2y ago
If you make it a long drink yes (which you shouldn't as it overextracts). If you run it on the short program it's pretty strong. At least with local pods here in Spain.
- hocuspocus 2y ago
  Following Nespresso's own recommendations, the shortest program is still pulling 25 ml through <6g of coffee. A far cry from a proper 1:2 espresso, let alone ristretto.
  - wkat4242 2y ago
    Yeah ristretto it's not. But I do like some liquid and not too much caffeine. I usually drink doubles with 1 normal and 1 decaf so I don't end up bouncing :P

wkat4242 2y ago

It's not bad, many real espressos I buy in local coffee shops for a euro (This is Spain, things are cheap) are worse.

Arch-TK 2y ago
If you're not in a country where people regularly drink espresso then this is the problem you will find with literally every single non-specialty coffee shop. That being said, while crap coffee shop espresso is worse than nespresso, nespresso is still trash in compared to an espresso someone put in even 10 minutes of effort into dialling in.
- wkat4242 2y ago
  But Spain is a country where people regularly drink espresso. It's the standard coffee type here :) Yet Nespresso (well mostly the aftermarket capsules) is very popular here.
  - Arch-TK 2y ago
    I mean, Nespresso is also very popular in Italy despite it tasting strictly worse than anything you can get even at the worst cafes there but I think it's because drinking espresso with sugar is very popular in Italy and sugar goes an incredible way towards making a lot of mediocre espresso taste the same as good espresso (because the sugar is overpowering).
    - wkat4242 2y ago
      People in Spain don't generally put a lot of sugar in their coffee. They do often take a bit of milk though, not a lot (it's called 'cortado'). But coffee culture in Italy vs Spain is distinctly different despite both enjoying espressos. Italy takes their coffee much more seriously (and really, all foods and drinks in general). Whereas in Spain they don't really care so much. Like pizza with pineapple, or cutting spaghetti with a knife, if you do similar things with Spanish food (e.g. like paella with vegetables) people don't care - except the Valencians :)

ndsipa_pomu 2y ago

The main worst thing about Nespresso capsules is the waste and the staleness. The two worst things about Nespresso are the waste, the staleness and the expense. The three worst things about Nespresso are the waste, the staleness and the expense and supporting such a corrupt mega-corporation. Amongst the worst things about Nespresso... hold on, I'll come in again.

fransje26 2y ago
Please think of the shareholders and let yourself out.