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House passes $1.6B to deliver anti-China propaganda overseas
- __loam 2y agoPlease just build housing
- shiroiushi 2y agoThe existing property owners (NIMBYs) don't want that, and they control the local governments.
- ssl-3 2y agoPlease just build housing anyway
- trhway 2y ago>property owners (NIMBYs) Quip for quip. More housing -> more property owners -> more NIMBYs. Do you really want more NIMBYs? Quiping aside, what you call NIMBY i see as opposition to "profits to the developers, externalities to the existing property owners". I'm all for more housing, i just think that the above mentioned profit/externalities distribution should be seriously adjusted, and then you'd see much more housing being built.
- xenospn 2y agoI thought the worlds’ population is in decline? Sounds to me like a problem that’ll sort itself out in 25 years or so.
- jajko 2y agoYou don't get these folks - they don't want just any housing. They want central big house, very close to FAANG work, school, but around a lot of nature too, for peanuts of course because 'hey in 50s one man could finance whole family' or similar extreme case taken out of proportions. That literally everybody else wants it and thus its priced accordingly since we have market economies (in communism it worked similarly too but it was more about apparatchiks) and such properties are very scarce is irrelevant. They just want that appreciating investment. There is no point discussing this here, it had been done ad nausea and even otherwise rational people turn to very emotional reasoning when it comes to them and their perceived rights for their own wealth. Something about expecting the world to adjust to my expectations or desires instead of the other way.
- __loam 2y agoGlobal population is still rapidly growing despite developed nations moving toward stable numbers.
- solardev 2y agoLike money, food, water, and everything else, it's not just a supply problem a distribution one too. It doesn't matter if there are a bunch of vacancies on paper if those vacancies are too expensive and too far away from where the working poor (and that's most people these days) need to live.
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- koolala 2y agoplease no
- kyleyeats 2y agoFor comparison, that's like 10% of Fox News' revenue.
- waffleiron 2y agoAnd also according to the article: "twice, for example, the annual operating expenditure of CNN."
- cced 2y agobut more importantly , separate! After all, we wouldn’t want to mix up the foreign and domestic budgets.
- shanghaikid 2y agoWhy us and china can't be friends?
- ssl-3 2y agoWe are friends, comrade. (But even "friends" sometimes sling some shit at eachother every now and then when it benefits them. It just usually doesn't cost $1.6B when this happens.)
- jamalaramala 2y agoCommercial interests associated to hypocrisy.
- Animats 2y agoWhy can't US and China just be competitors, as it was before Xi got on this conquer Taiwan kick? He's another one of those aging boomers who hung on too long.
- limit499karma 2y ago> another one of those aging boomers How very disappointing, Mr. Nagle.
- TiredOfLife 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_of_the_Pe... Support of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine To name a few.
- DiogenesKynikos 2y agoDoesn't stop the US from backing Israel and Saudi Arabia.
- fragmede 2y agoThat $1.6B isn't all going to fund anti-China propaganda but framing that way is a cheap way to get people to look at government spending as a waste of money.
- sergiomattei 2y agoThe US invests in its strategic and foreign policy objectives. Shocking.
- dragonelite 2y agoDam they didn't even put this under the pentagon/cia black budgets. Its a shame the US already did this with covid in the Philippines creating more chaos, death and anti vaccine. May god have mercy on 3rd world countries that aren't part of NATO or SCO/BRICS+, because they will have an wasted decade in the 2020s and early 2030s.
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- docdeek 2y agoThe US spent $916 billion on its military in 2023 [0]. Spending less than 1/5th of 1% of that on propaganda doesn’t seem to be a huge deal in comparison. [0]: https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/2404_fs_milex_2023.pdf https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/2404_fs_mi...
- pragmomm 2y agoI don't think US needs to spend that amount of money, I think China is doing enough stupid things to spur anti-China sentiments overseas. Also, they could just remind people that China released COVID which killed millions and cost countries billions. for example: US, EU raise alarm over China’s ‘very substantial’ support for Russia in Ukraine war. Beijing’s ‘significant’ exports said to be used on battlefield and given in exchange for Kremlin’s sensitive military technologies https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3278160/us-eu-raise-alarm-over-chinas-very-substantial-support-russia-ukraine-war https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3278160/us... or: Chinese coast guard ships fired water cannons and blocked and rammed a Philippine fisheries vessel https://apnews.com/article/china-philippines-disputes-spratlys-d40da655bb6f236376eb67f95543b4e4 https://apnews.com/article/china-philippines-disputes-spratl... or: Japan claims Chinese military plane violated its territorial airspace for the first time https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/27/asia/japan-china-military-plane-airspace-violation-intl-hnk-ml/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/27/asia/japan-china-military-pla...
- DiogenesKynikos 2y ago> China released COVID That's like saying, "The US released the Great Influenza of 1918." It's a naturally occurring pathogen. Nobody released it.
- wegfawefgawefg 2y agoIt is disingenuous to say that covid was naturally occuring. You should probably go look up the lab it came from, and who was funding it. (Canada and the US were involved.)
- r721 2y ago>Somehow it’s a crime when Russia does it to us, but good 'information ops' when we want to discredit Beijing’s Belt & Road initiatives worldwide This just sounds like "Somehow it's bad when enemy soldiers shoot at us, but we also shoot at them! What a hypocrisy!"
- ignoramous 2y ago> This just sounds like "Somehow it's bad when enemy soldiers shoot at you, but you also shoot at them! What a hypocrisy!" The problem is, there's a beginning, sure, but no end to such circular reasoning; seeding perpetual conflict.
- yibg 2y agoOf course in a war both sides shoot at each other. The hypocrisy comes when one side is good and the other is bad for doing the same thing. So it would be "The enemies soldiers are evil and just want us all dead, but we're the heros protecting our country".
- kiba 2y agoThere is such thing as bothsideism, which isn't necessarily better than "my side is only good". Sometime the world is indeed black and white. Other time, it's greyer if not outright muddy. In other words, it all depends.
- yibg 2y agoBlanket positions either way isn't good (both sides are equally good / bad or we're good they're evil). Nuance is always important I agree. But it's far more common for "us" to be the good guys and for "them" to be the bad guys. Even without knowing anything about "them".
- kiba 2y agoBut it's far more common for "us" to be the good guys and for "them" to be the bad guys. Even without knowing anything about "them". I would call that perspective too cynical for what the world actually looks like.
- sph 2y agoIt is more and more crucial that Europe, while remaining a stolid ally to the US, tries not to be fully involved in American (economic) wars, propaganda and protectionism. We have been fully dependent on them, now it is time to be good mates, but each with separate domestic and foreign policies. If Republicans win next year, this is not gonna get any better.
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- jajko 2y ago> Europe has plenty of its own propaganda to spread. Aren't you busy locking up indigenous people for years for saying mean facts on the internet? Ignoring primitive racist aspects of the comments, no Europe as a whole (but lets say EU, Switzerland nor Norway don't care about this at all) doesn't have any force to speak of it can project, any clear plans for any military nor economical expansion of its influence outside its boundaries. In contrary, we are currently weak (and eventually will get steamrolled by powerplayers from the east), undecisive, busy destroying some of the powerhouses of our economies like car industry. Germany is still terrified to the core for the sins of their grandfathers so would prefer half of Europe burning than do a nanometer aggressive move, and its the strongest voice on whole bloc - just look at how little they are actually helping Ukraine and how effectively they block any bigger attempts of other states. Heck they are trying to circumvent 2% GDP yearly NATO requirement to include highways maintenance costs in it, thus Wehrmacht is a joke - ie Polish army would steamroll them all any day, poles took a hard lesson from russian atrocities done on them in the past and finance army correspondingly. Its sad to watch it, German population deserves much better leadership since competence is there. Not even digging into other big states like France with its own big issues, but at least they don't neglect military and are the only ones with nukes.
- benterix 2y ago> Aren't you busy locking up indigenous people for years for saying mean facts on the internet? As an European, I have problems understanding what you mean - could you clarify?
- wonnage 2y agoMeanwhile all the candidates have given up and embraced tiktok :D
- throw310822 2y agoSo the anti-China propaganda we got since 2016 was for free? Nice!
- xkcd1963 2y agoWell I guess it is now clear to all that the West has no moral superiority.
- thinkingemote 2y agoI'm old enough to remember when we all laughed when various dictators blamed US propaganda for the unrest that ultimately deposed them. We all thought they were lying!
- smilingleo 2y agoIt's like two people: when one person's status and position are much higher than the other's, they won't even think about tarnishing the other person's reputation. They may even offer some help to satisfy their own vanity. However, when the two are of similar status and position, and one doesn't have a mindset of openness and mutual benefit, they may feel their position is threatened. When trying civilized methods doesn't suppress the competitor, they begin to resort to any means necessary.