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I kagi’d Illumos and apparently Bryan Cantrill was a maintainer. Bryan Cantrill is CTO of Oxide [1]. I assume that has no bearing on the choice, otherwise it

I kagi’d Illumos and apparently Bryan Cantrill was a maintainer. Bryan Cantrill is CTO of Oxide [1]. I assume that has no bearing on the choice, otherwise it would be mentioned in the discussion. [1] https://bcantrill.dtrace.org/2019/12/02/the-soul-of-a-new-computer-company/ https://bcantrill.dtrace.org/2019/12/02/the-soul-of-a-new-co...

gyre007 2y ago
Yeah I came here to say that Bryan worked at Sun so why do they even need to write this post (yes, I appreciate the techinical reasons, just wanted to highlight the fact via a subtle dig :-))
- sausagefeet 2y ago
  This isn't a blog post from an Oxide, it's a link to their internal RFD which they use to make decisions.
  - gyre007 2y ago
    I never said it was a post by Oxide.
    - sausagefeet 2y ago
      Might want to re-read your initial comment, then.
sausagefeet 2y ago
Early Oxide founders came from Joyent which was an illumos shop and Cantrill is quite vocal about the history of Solaris, OpenSolaris, and illumos.
- codetrotter 2y ago
  > Joyent which was an illumos shop And before that, they used to run FreeBSD. Mentioned for example in this comment by Bryan Cantrill a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6254092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6254092 > […] Speaking only for us (I work for Joyent), we have deployed hundreds of thousands of zones into production over the years -- and Joyent was running with FreeBSD jails before that […] And I’ve seen some other primary sources (people who worked at Joyent) write that online too. And Bryan Cantrill, and several other people, came from Sun Microsystems to Joyent. Though I’ve never seen it mentioned which order that happened in; was it people from Sun that joined Joyent and then Joyent switched from FreeBSD to Illumos and creating SmartOS? Or had Joyent already switched to Illumos before the people that came from Sun joined? I would actually really enjoy a long documentary or talk from some people that worked at Joyent about the history of the company, how they were using FreeBSD and when they switched to Illumos and so on.
  - panick21_ 2y ago
    Joyent was using Solaris before Bryan worked there. Listen to the this podcast with Bryan and his co-founder about their origin story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVkIKm9pkPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVkIKm9pkPY This is about as good as you are gone get on the topic of Joyant history.
    - codetrotter 2y ago
      Thank you, I will watch that right away :)
  - selykg 2y ago
    Joyent also merged with TextDrive, which is where the FreeBSD part came from. TextDrive was an early Rails host, and could even do it in a shared hosting environment, which is where I think a lot of the original user base came from (also TextPattern) As I recall they were also the original host of Twitter, which if I recall was Rails back in the day.
    - throw0101b 2y ago
mzi 2y ago
@bcantrill is the CTO of Oxide.
- taspeotis 2y ago
  Yup, thanks
panick21_ 2y ago
Bryan Cantrill also ported KVM to Illumos. At Joyent they had plenty of experience with KVM. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwAfJywzk8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwAfJywzk8o As far as I know, Bryan didn't personally work on the porting of bhyve (this might be wrong). So if anything, that would point to KVM as the 'familiar' thing given how many former Joyant people were there.
- bonzini 2y ago
  KVM got more and more integrated with the rest of Linux as more virtualization features became general system features (e.g. posted interrupts). Also Google and Amazon are working more upstream and the pace of development increased a lot. Keeping a KVM port up to date is a huge effort compared to bhyve, and they probably had learnt that in the years between the porting of KVM and the founding of Oxide.
- elijahwright 2y ago
  Where is Max Bruning these days?
kafHas 2y ago
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gyre007 2y ago

Yeah I came here to say that Bryan worked at Sun so why do they even need to write this post (yes, I appreciate the techinical reasons, just wanted to highlight the fact via a subtle dig :-))

sausagefeet 2y ago
This isn't a blog post from an Oxide, it's a link to their internal RFD which they use to make decisions.
- gyre007 2y ago
  I never said it was a post by Oxide.
  - sausagefeet 2y ago
    Might want to re-read your initial comment, then.

sausagefeet 2y ago

Early Oxide founders came from Joyent which was an illumos shop and Cantrill is quite vocal about the history of Solaris, OpenSolaris, and illumos.

codetrotter 2y ago
> Joyent which was an illumos shop And before that, they used to run FreeBSD. Mentioned for example in this comment by Bryan Cantrill a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6254092 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6254092 > […] Speaking only for us (I work for Joyent), we have deployed hundreds of thousands of zones into production over the years -- and Joyent was running with FreeBSD jails before that […] And I’ve seen some other primary sources (people who worked at Joyent) write that online too. And Bryan Cantrill, and several other people, came from Sun Microsystems to Joyent. Though I’ve never seen it mentioned which order that happened in; was it people from Sun that joined Joyent and then Joyent switched from FreeBSD to Illumos and creating SmartOS? Or had Joyent already switched to Illumos before the people that came from Sun joined? I would actually really enjoy a long documentary or talk from some people that worked at Joyent about the history of the company, how they were using FreeBSD and when they switched to Illumos and so on.
- panick21_ 2y ago
  Joyent was using Solaris before Bryan worked there. Listen to the this podcast with Bryan and his co-founder about their origin story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVkIKm9pkPY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVkIKm9pkPY This is about as good as you are gone get on the topic of Joyant history.
  - codetrotter 2y ago
    Thank you, I will watch that right away :)
- selykg 2y ago
  Joyent also merged with TextDrive, which is where the FreeBSD part came from. TextDrive was an early Rails host, and could even do it in a shared hosting environment, which is where I think a lot of the original user base came from (also TextPattern) As I recall they were also the original host of Twitter, which if I recall was Rails back in the day.
  - throw0101b 2y ago

mzi 2y ago

@bcantrill is the CTO of Oxide.

taspeotis 2y ago
Yup, thanks

panick21_ 2y ago

Bryan Cantrill also ported KVM to Illumos. At Joyent they had plenty of experience with KVM. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwAfJywzk8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwAfJywzk8o As far as I know, Bryan didn't personally work on the porting of bhyve (this might be wrong). So if anything, that would point to KVM as the 'familiar' thing given how many former Joyant people were there.

bonzini 2y ago
KVM got more and more integrated with the rest of Linux as more virtualization features became general system features (e.g. posted interrupts). Also Google and Amazon are working more upstream and the pace of development increased a lot. Keeping a KVM port up to date is a huge effort compared to bhyve, and they probably had learnt that in the years between the porting of KVM and the founding of Oxide.
elijahwright 2y ago
Where is Max Bruning these days?

kafHas 2y ago

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