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Car companies rather sell new cars, than conversion kits and they do have quite a lobby.

by lukan 2y ago

chii 2y ago
It's the same as mobile phones. Most phones have unreplacible batteries, because it's commercially better for their bottom line. It's not like phones improve sufficiently to justify buying a new one, but the battery lose charge significantly over time. A car has similar issues. There are only small parts of the car that wears out, and by replacing those parts, the car can be made to function for significantly longer. But modern cars are so complex and intertwined, that it's difficult to just replace worn parts (not to mention difficult to even find those parts available). Hopefully the conversion to EV cars will resolve some of these problems, but i dont have high hopes. It's not like EV manufacturers are going out of their way to make the car's batteries replacible.
- lukan 2y ago
  "It's not like EV manufacturers are going out of their way to make the car's batteries replacible" But since electric cars are mechanically a bit simpler, there are opportunities for small companies willing to disrupt the market or at least find a niche for reliable and easy to fix cars.
  - chii 2y ago
    > willing to disrupt the market i doubt it, because the whole platform is controlled by the EV manufacturer, and they can easily prevent it (via software for example). Think inkjet printers. If EV batteries are to be made replacible, it needs to be mandated by law. And to be honest, i think a car's battery should be replacible (and be easy/convenient to do so) - imagine instead of charging your car, you will drive up to a "gas" station and just replace the current flat batteries with full ones in a few minutes. Think gas stove tanks.
    - mharig 2y ago
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- murderfs 2y ago
  > It's not like phones improve sufficiently to justify buying a new one, but the battery lose charge significantly over time. A five year old car engine is basically indistinguishable from a brand new car engine; a five year old cellphone chipset is going to have half of the performance and a quarter of the performance per watt as a brand new cellphone.
  - bluefirebrand 2y ago
    Five year old car still gets you from place to place, five year old phone still loads your emails, sends texts, places phone calls, etc... Most people don't use anywhere near their phones full performance Or their cars, for that matter
gwervc 2y ago
This is flagrant with the EU raising import tariffs on Chinese EV. There is a lot of communication about the climate transition and how electric stuff is needed to save the world, but when cheap options are available from China it's a big no no because it goes against European manufacturers interests.
- jq-r 2y ago
  Exactly. This whole scheme won't work in EU because it's against car manufacturer's interest. The whole of eastern Europe is flooded by second hand German cars and the reason is twofold. First, the western Europe still can afford to change cars every few years, and secondly, the purchase power IMO of the eastern Europe is falling behind so second hand cars look more affordable then buying a new one. If I were to install an electric motor in my car there is no chance I'm hell that I would be able to make it road legal. Last year I bought homologated Philips LED bulbs for my car to replace crappy incandescent bulbs and the car failed the inspection. "You can't have LED bulbs on a car manufactured with incandescents". Doesn't matter that the beam is completely correct and doesn't blind other drivers, and they have instruments to check it. "It the law, go away".
  - anticensor 2y ago
    Have you considered taking the whole vehicle out-of-type and getting all existing parts approved under IVA before giving up?
- ToucanLoucan 2y ago
  To be clear, it's both the manufacturer's interests and the interests of European workers. As long as we demand from every person that they earn a living, them using their political power to protect their national industry should be expected. Yes, cheap Chinese EV's are better for the environment, but that's small comfort to all the people employed by European car companies that are getting out-competed who hit the streets as a result. If we want to start actually tackling climate change we need to unwind this notion that everyone must earn a living because there are simply vast swathes of the economy that are just redundant and do not need to exist.

Car companies rather sell new cars, than conversion kits and they do have quite a lobby.

by lukan 2y ago

Car companies rather sell new cars, than conversion kits and they do have quite a lobby.

chii 2y ago

It's the same as mobile phones. Most phones have unreplacible batteries, because it's commercially better for their bottom line. It's not like phones improve sufficiently to justify buying a new one, but the battery lose charge significantly over time. A car has similar issues. There are only small parts of the car that wears out, and by replacing those parts, the car can be made to function for significantly longer. But modern cars are so complex and intertwined, that it's difficult to just replace worn parts (not to mention difficult to even find those parts available). Hopefully the conversion to EV cars will resolve some of these problems, but i dont have high hopes. It's not like EV manufacturers are going out of their way to make the car's batteries replacible.

lukan 2y ago
"It's not like EV manufacturers are going out of their way to make the car's batteries replacible" But since electric cars are mechanically a bit simpler, there are opportunities for small companies willing to disrupt the market or at least find a niche for reliable and easy to fix cars.
- chii 2y ago
  > willing to disrupt the market i doubt it, because the whole platform is controlled by the EV manufacturer, and they can easily prevent it (via software for example). Think inkjet printers. If EV batteries are to be made replacible, it needs to be mandated by law. And to be honest, i think a car's battery should be replacible (and be easy/convenient to do so) - imagine instead of charging your car, you will drive up to a "gas" station and just replace the current flat batteries with full ones in a few minutes. Think gas stove tanks.
  - mharig 2y ago
    [dead]
murderfs 2y ago
> It's not like phones improve sufficiently to justify buying a new one, but the battery lose charge significantly over time. A five year old car engine is basically indistinguishable from a brand new car engine; a five year old cellphone chipset is going to have half of the performance and a quarter of the performance per watt as a brand new cellphone.
- bluefirebrand 2y ago
  Five year old car still gets you from place to place, five year old phone still loads your emails, sends texts, places phone calls, etc... Most people don't use anywhere near their phones full performance Or their cars, for that matter

gwervc 2y ago

This is flagrant with the EU raising import tariffs on Chinese EV. There is a lot of communication about the climate transition and how electric stuff is needed to save the world, but when cheap options are available from China it's a big no no because it goes against European manufacturers interests.

jq-r 2y ago
Exactly. This whole scheme won't work in EU because it's against car manufacturer's interest. The whole of eastern Europe is flooded by second hand German cars and the reason is twofold. First, the western Europe still can afford to change cars every few years, and secondly, the purchase power IMO of the eastern Europe is falling behind so second hand cars look more affordable then buying a new one. If I were to install an electric motor in my car there is no chance I'm hell that I would be able to make it road legal. Last year I bought homologated Philips LED bulbs for my car to replace crappy incandescent bulbs and the car failed the inspection. "You can't have LED bulbs on a car manufactured with incandescents". Doesn't matter that the beam is completely correct and doesn't blind other drivers, and they have instruments to check it. "It the law, go away".
- anticensor 2y ago
  Have you considered taking the whole vehicle out-of-type and getting all existing parts approved under IVA before giving up?
ToucanLoucan 2y ago
To be clear, it's both the manufacturer's interests and the interests of European workers. As long as we demand from every person that they earn a living, them using their political power to protect their national industry should be expected. Yes, cheap Chinese EV's are better for the environment, but that's small comfort to all the people employed by European car companies that are getting out-competed who hit the streets as a result. If we want to start actually tackling climate change we need to unwind this notion that everyone must earn a living because there are simply vast swathes of the economy that are just redundant and do not need to exist.