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Tesla self-driving promises are getting weaker on new cars
- more_corn 2y agoThat’s good because they were totally unreasonable promises. I’m surprised nobody sued for false advertising. People paid a lot of money for something that has never lived up to the hype.
- carlmr 2y ago>which helped crashed the value of used Tesla vehicles >Tesla vehicles would never be able of true self-driving due to some bling spots in the camera arrays In the age of AI, how can you still publish an article like this?
- pestatije 2y agoColombians are not very proficient in English
- itishappy 2y agoThe author (Fred Lambert) lives in Montreal...
- omgwtfbyobbq 2y agoFred's not very proficient with writing. He also doesn't like to credit his sources.
- verzali 2y agoYou don't need AI to automate grammar checks, computers have been capable of that for decades already.
- JohnFen 2y ago> In the age of AI, how can you still publish an article like this? The age of AI will make this sort of thing even more common.
- iwontberude 2y agoI think the Robo Taxi revealed last month on 8/8 really assuaged fears about this. It’s totally not vaporware.
- two_handfuls 2y agoThis is hilarious, but I fear some readers might not realize it's sarcasm.
- cmsj 2y agoSaid it before, will doubtless say it many times again... Level 5 self-driving isn't coming until with have AGI.
- pyaamb 2y agoendless edge cases
- pyaamb 2y agoI think the real reason why tesla will never give people the option to buy one of their cars without self driving hardware is because the market would reveal its actual demand and value
- dyauspitr 2y agoIsn’t Waymo level 5?
- SketchySeaBeast 2y agoIsn't level 5 under any circumstances? Have we seen how Waymo handles a snowstorm?
- jqpabc123 2y agoHave we seen how Waymo handles a snowstorm? My guess; the same way they handle every unexpected situation --- slam on the brakes. The most common accident with self driving vehicles is rear end collisions --- which always gets classified as the human driver's fault.
- matthewdgreen 2y agoI checked this out [1] just to get a sense, and apparently there have been 200 total collisions involving Waymos, about one every 100,000 miles. 43% were at relative speeds of under 1 MPH. Only 23 were serious enough to cause an injury or deploy airbags, and of those, 16 were rear-end crashes. At least one of the 16 involved a driver who hit the Waymo a second time as he tried to run away, so probably not good faith. Anyway: might be that Waymos hit the brakes a lot, but does not seem like an epidemic of fast "slam on the brakes" rear-end collisions. [1] https://www.understandingai.org/p/human-drivers-are-to-blame-for-most https://www.understandingai.org/p/human-drivers-are-to-blame...
- ProllyInfamous 2y agoSince 2016, FSD has been sold as available really soon, we promise!
- hereme888 2y agoTesla's do fully drive themselves. They are FSD. Now, there being an "official", legally-protected definition for that is another thing. Level 5 self-driving vehicles won't even have controls for humans. But again, Tesla's are already fully self-driving.
- thefounder 2y agoThe only issue with Tesla is that sometimes they fully self drive themselves into other cars or static objects. But rest be assured they are Fully self driving. The official and legal requirement is not important. The only important thing is what Tesla’s marketing team says about its own features(I.e FSD). If I think a bit about this I think I could make an unofficial FSD system as well. >>The CEO went as far as claiming that this would make Tesla vehicles “appreciating assets” Right… Meanwhile they can’t even make it legal for level 3 like other auto manufacturers(I.e Benz)
- two_handfuls 2y ago> Tesla's do fully drive themselves. They are FSD. By your definition, so is my Honda with a brick on the accelerator: it fully drives itself until it hits a wall.
- hereme888 2y agoA brick on gas isn't "full self driving" is it? What do Tesla cars lack re: full self driving?
- two_handfuls 2y agoMostly the "self" part. Teslas cannot drive themselves. They need a human driver supervising, ready to take over at a moment's notice. If something needs a driver, it is not self-driving in my book.
- sickofparadox 2y agoI get your point, but in the interest of pedantry, wouldn't the brick be the one driving the Honda at that point?
- jqpabc123 2y agoBottom line: Musk is just a modern version of a carnival barker.
- Log_out_ 2y agostep right up dont be shy! You sir look like someone who could benefit from Elons msgical Elixier ! It takes you back into a magic time where man were man, entrepreneurs where entrepreneurs and everything else was uncomplicated . Step right up, the first hit of outsourced self consciousness boost is free.
- omgwtfbyobbq 2y agoIt's good that Tesla is explicitly stating FSD requires supervision, and my impression is that the FSD purchase page has implied a driver may need to intervene since 2017 or 2018. FSD has gotten significantly better too, which I imagine is why they need to be more precise with what it can and cannot do. Also, FSD started at $8k. IIRC, it went up to $15k after the pandemic.