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Counter-Strike 2 gaming using Neuralink is 'insane'

29 points by gmays 2y ago

BoredPositron 2y ago
Insane as in it works but the movement in the video is not anything like the instant pro gamer Elon made it out to be. It's amazing but it's diminished by over promising again. sic
- idiocrat 2y ago
  As with usual exponential growth -- do not blink. The exponential growth is that you see nothing for long time, until it is too late. Once you blinked you will find the HN site is full of articles about the minimal-invasive brain microsurgery startups getting funded billions of dollars. And that we are in the midst of another tech bubble.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    >Once you blinked you will find the HN site is full of articles about the minimal-invasive brain microsurgery startups getting funded billions of dollars. And that we are in the midst of another tech bubble. I think Neuralink is going to be more like SpaceX, not like Bitcoin.
  - rasz 2y ago
    Like self-driving? :)
    - throwaway48540 2y ago
      Like self-landing rockets. :)
    - kombookcha 2y ago
      Crazy how all Teslas have been self-driving robotaxis earning passive income for their owners since 2016. Truly this man will never do a flim flam. ;)
  - BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
    Minimally invasive is the biggest issue. It’s gonna involve removing a portion of your skull for the forseeable future, and even if it doesn’t it’ll be brain surgery. I think ai-driven surgery-free bci would be more consumer viable, but it’s not clear whether such bci can be done effectively with electrodes far as im aware. I think it’ll be a medical product and an extreme niche of high-performance gaming or something, if anything non-medical exists at all, for a long time.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - khafra 2y ago
    Here's an article from a few years ago, reviewing "over 50 years of brain-computer interface history": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7824107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7824107/ I'm not ready to declare exponential growth in anything but hype levels, yet; I don't see any great leaps forward concerning the fundamental problems faced by the field.
  - michaelteter 2y ago
    Relax. We have at least two more years of AI-everything hype and startups to endure before we can change bandwagons.
  - kadoban 2y ago
    There seems to be no particular reason to expect exponential growth here to me. Can you explain why you'd expect that?
- bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
  Enron Musk lying again to line his pockets.
  - pushupentry1219 2y ago
    Works every time. People here in particular lap it up.
- shaftway 2y ago
  We're talking about somebody who hasn't had the means to be a "gamer". No experience with a first person 3d shooter with traditional controls. He plays better than my 12 year old would; no running along looking at the sky or the ground, no struggling with going around obstacles. I think that's pretty insane. I also think it's insane having Elon's m̶o̶n̶k̶e̶y̶s̶ surgeons poking at your brain, but maybe that's just me.
jeffreyames 2y ago
I imagine for a quadriplegic moving around a 3D world in first person by thinking must feel great. I wonder if the thought that triggers the movement feels more like thinking about walking or thinking about pressing a button on a controller.
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  When you play a game for a long enough time you completely lose awareness of the buttons unless you’re doing something really difficult. I bet it’s more like that.
dusted 2y ago
This is pretty damn amazing.. Throw on a headset and find a nice walking simulator. It'd be really cool for a lot of people in different situations.
maxglute 2y ago
Pretty cool, I just want to manipulate media controls with my brain when I'm half asleep in bed someday, without sticking wires into my brain.
Log_out_ 2y ago
How did they solve the implant neural scaring tissue issue ? Last time i looked at there patents there was nothing there regarding that. So for now congratulations to alex to a 6 month one time gamepad with brain damage. https://insights.greyb.com/neuralink-patents/ https://insights.greyb.com/neuralink-patents/ https://founderslegal.com/interesting-patents-a-leap-into-the-future-understanding-neuralinks-pioneering-implantable-device/ https://founderslegal.com/interesting-patents-a-leap-into-th... Conventional wires and biopolymers is just not good enough for this to go above guinea pig tech. 6 globally and nothing revolutionary regarding the scaring problem. can read all the data of the brain is cool, but nobody will integrate that,if all you get is a useless socket on your skull.
Veedrac 2y ago
I think the most straightforward illustration of Neuralink's demonstrated capabilities is Webgrid. Noland, the first participant who has had Neuralink for a while (though has reduced signal because of thread retractions) scored 9.51 BPS. Try it and see how well you do! https://neuralink.com/webgrid/ https://neuralink.com/webgrid/
- pona-a 2y ago
  > Your peak score: 8.01 BPS Well, I'd say permanent brain damage from scaring alone wouldn't quite be worth an extra 1 click per second... What it's showing really is a very different problem; the mouse is a fair show and inefficient input method. While some use-cases, like 2d/2d panning, drawing, etc., benefit from a pointing device, most of the typical UI can best be done by a keyboard. I doubt any brain computer interface can achieve 100+ WPM on arbitrary inputs with a low error rate.
olivierduval 2y ago
It's really impressive !!!! BTW, the video show him playing with and against BOTS (that are notoriously weak in CS2), not with/against other human players (where he would stand no chance - and no fun - even against beginning players)

29 points by gmays 2y ago

Insane as in it works but the movement in the video is not anything like the instant pro gamer Elon made it out to be. It's amazing but it's diminished by over promising again. sic

idiocrat 2y ago
As with usual exponential growth -- do not blink. The exponential growth is that you see nothing for long time, until it is too late. Once you blinked you will find the HN site is full of articles about the minimal-invasive brain microsurgery startups getting funded billions of dollars. And that we are in the midst of another tech bubble.
- Sabinus 2y ago
  >Once you blinked you will find the HN site is full of articles about the minimal-invasive brain microsurgery startups getting funded billions of dollars. And that we are in the midst of another tech bubble. I think Neuralink is going to be more like SpaceX, not like Bitcoin.
- rasz 2y ago
  Like self-driving? :)
  - throwaway48540 2y ago
    Like self-landing rockets. :)
  - kombookcha 2y ago
    Crazy how all Teslas have been self-driving robotaxis earning passive income for their owners since 2016. Truly this man will never do a flim flam. ;)
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
  Minimally invasive is the biggest issue. It’s gonna involve removing a portion of your skull for the forseeable future, and even if it doesn’t it’ll be brain surgery. I think ai-driven surgery-free bci would be more consumer viable, but it’s not clear whether such bci can be done effectively with electrodes far as im aware. I think it’ll be a medical product and an extreme niche of high-performance gaming or something, if anything non-medical exists at all, for a long time.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- khafra 2y ago
  Here's an article from a few years ago, reviewing "over 50 years of brain-computer interface history": https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7824107/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7824107/ I'm not ready to declare exponential growth in anything but hype levels, yet; I don't see any great leaps forward concerning the fundamental problems faced by the field.
- michaelteter 2y ago
  Relax. We have at least two more years of AI-everything hype and startups to endure before we can change bandwagons.
- kadoban 2y ago
  There seems to be no particular reason to expect exponential growth here to me. Can you explain why you'd expect that?
bdjsiqoocwk 2y ago
Enron Musk lying again to line his pockets.
- pushupentry1219 2y ago
  Works every time. People here in particular lap it up.
shaftway 2y ago
We're talking about somebody who hasn't had the means to be a "gamer". No experience with a first person 3d shooter with traditional controls. He plays better than my 12 year old would; no running along looking at the sky or the ground, no struggling with going around obstacles. I think that's pretty insane. I also think it's insane having Elon's m̶o̶n̶k̶e̶y̶s̶ surgeons poking at your brain, but maybe that's just me.

jeffreyames 2y ago

I imagine for a quadriplegic moving around a 3D world in first person by thinking must feel great. I wonder if the thought that triggers the movement feels more like thinking about walking or thinking about pressing a button on a controller.

BriggyDwiggs42 2y ago
When you play a game for a long enough time you completely lose awareness of the buttons unless you’re doing something really difficult. I bet it’s more like that.

dusted 2y ago

This is pretty damn amazing.. Throw on a headset and find a nice walking simulator. It'd be really cool for a lot of people in different situations.

maxglute 2y ago

Pretty cool, I just want to manipulate media controls with my brain when I'm half asleep in bed someday, without sticking wires into my brain.

Log_out_ 2y ago

How did they solve the implant neural scaring tissue issue ? Last time i looked at there patents there was nothing there regarding that. So for now congratulations to alex to a 6 month one time gamepad with brain damage. https://insights.greyb.com/neuralink-patents/ https://insights.greyb.com/neuralink-patents/ https://founderslegal.com/interesting-patents-a-leap-into-the-future-understanding-neuralinks-pioneering-implantable-device/ https://founderslegal.com/interesting-patents-a-leap-into-th... Conventional wires and biopolymers is just not good enough for this to go above guinea pig tech. 6 globally and nothing revolutionary regarding the scaring problem. can read all the data of the brain is cool, but nobody will integrate that,if all you get is a useless socket on your skull.

Veedrac 2y ago

I think the most straightforward illustration of Neuralink's demonstrated capabilities is Webgrid. Noland, the first participant who has had Neuralink for a while (though has reduced signal because of thread retractions) scored 9.51 BPS. Try it and see how well you do! https://neuralink.com/webgrid/ https://neuralink.com/webgrid/

pona-a 2y ago
> Your peak score: 8.01 BPS Well, I'd say permanent brain damage from scaring alone wouldn't quite be worth an extra 1 click per second... What it's showing really is a very different problem; the mouse is a fair show and inefficient input method. While some use-cases, like 2d/2d panning, drawing, etc., benefit from a pointing device, most of the typical UI can best be done by a keyboard. I doubt any brain computer interface can achieve 100+ WPM on arbitrary inputs with a low error rate.

olivierduval 2y ago

It's really impressive !!!! BTW, the video show him playing with and against BOTS (that are notoriously weak in CS2), not with/against other human players (where he would stand no chance - and no fun - even against beginning players)