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Optical media is neat, but has a number of drawbacks when it comes to large scale operations. What you're talking about already sort of exists, albeit media ha
by Twirrim 2y ago
Optical media is neat, but has a number of drawbacks when it comes to large scale operations.
What you're talking about already sort of exists, albeit media hadn't reached "cheap" yet, because the manufacturing scale wasn't there. People weren't interested enough in it. Archival Disc was a standard that Sony and Panasonic produced, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archival_Disc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archival_Disc. Before the standard was retired you could by gen3 ones with 5.5TB of capacity, https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/optical-disc-archive-cartridges https://pro.sony/ue_US/products/optical-disc-archive-cartrid...
LTO tape was already at 15TB by the time their 300GB Discs came out, and reached 45TB capacity 3 years ago. Tape is still leaps and bounds ahead of anything achievable in optical media and isn't write-once. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linear_Tape-Open)
Part of the problem is you can't just store and forget, you have to carry out fixity checks on a regular basis (https://blogs.loc.gov/thesignal/2014/02/check-yourself-how-and-when-to-check-fixity/ https://blogs.loc.gov/thesignal/2014/02/check-yourself-how-a...). Same thing as with your backups, backups that don't have restores tested aren't really backups, they're just bitrot. You want to know that when you go to get something archived, it's actually there. That means you're having to load and validate every bit of media on a very regular basis, because you have to catch degradation before it's an issue. That's probably fine when you're talking a handful of discs, but it doesn't scale that well at all.
The amount of space that it takes for the drives to read the optical disc, the machinery to handle the physical automation of shuffling discs around etc. combined with the costs of it, just make no sense compared to the pre-existing solutions in the space.
You don't get the effective data density (GB/sq meter) you'd need to make it make sense, nor do the drives come at any kind of a price point that could possibly overcome those costs.
To top it all off, the storage environment conditions of optical media isn't really any different from Tape, except maybe slightly less sensitive to magnetic interference.
- shiroiushi 2y ago>LTO tape was already at 15TB by the time their 300GB Discs came out, and reached 45TB capacity 3 years ago. No, they didn't. The largest LTO tape is only 18TB; your numbers are bogus. Those are BS advertised numbers with compression. If you're storing a bunch of movies or photos, for instance, you can't compress that data any further. The actual amount of data that the medium can physically store is the only useful number when discussing data storage media.
- Twirrim 2y agoThat's fair. The LTO capacity was already still significantly larger than archive disc at any stage in archive disc's life cycle. Both Sony and Panasonic completely failed to demonstrate actual value from the format. Smaller capacity, for the same kinds of environmental constraints, similar size drives etc. There was just no reason to actually use it.
- shiroiushi 2y agoYeah, it's really too bad someone hasn't made a reasonably-priced archival format that consumers and small businesses can use, because LTO isn't it. The closest they have is MDISC, but the storage capacity is small, and from what I'm reading, discs advertised with this aren't necessarily all that long-lived anyway (if they're using dye). What we need is a cheap, write-once format that can hold at least 1TB, similar to how we used to use CD-Rs 20-25 years ago, but without organic dye like those discs and with a far longer shelf life.
- everfrustrated 2y agoIt's called the cloud or Backblaze. Encrypt with your own keys and let them worry about moving the data to new drives every so often.
- shiroiushi 2y agoIt's also quite expensive, at $6/TB/month. If you have a lot of data, that adds up quickly. Just for my 4TB backup drive, it's much cheaper to just use HDDs and rotate them myself.
- RecycledEle 2y agoI wonder if someone could mass-produce a BD-R type media, but the size of a laser-disc, and resistant to almost all scratching. Maybe put it in a case like the old 3.5" floppy disks had?
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