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My Series 9 totally fails at sleep detection and regularly claims that I am in "Deep Sleep" while I am lying there trying to get back to sleep. Instead of fixin

My Series 9 totally fails at sleep detection and regularly claims that I am in "Deep Sleep" while I am lying there trying to get back to sleep. Instead of fixing that, they are adding sleep apnea alerts. I wish there was an alternate ecosystem that was actually competitive with Apple.

1123581321 2y ago
That sounds like a peculiar issue, so maybe it'll be bug-fixed in the new iOS. They don't announce small fixes.
- hombre_fatal 2y ago
  It's a common issue with all health wearables because they don't have sufficient data. When your heart rate and respiration rate are at sleep level because you just slept for four hours, but you woke up and now you're waiting to go back to sleep, there isn't much that a wrist strap can do to disambiguate.
  - wiredfool 2y ago
    My series 6 consistently said I had 4 minutes more sleep time than in bed time, and neither really noticeably tracked anything. Our a and Fitbit sleep tracking might not be truly accurate, but at least they’re semi plausible.
    - hombre_fatal 2y ago
      The series 9 is best in class for sleep accuracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr4p66vSmLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr4p66vSmLY (18:20 mark) We're now four generations of Apple Watch beyond yours.
nu11ptr 2y ago
My sleep tracking works pretty well on my S9. It isn't perfect and there are glitches and bugs I've noticed, but overall the long term trend tends to even out and feels pretty comparative to my old Fitbit.
parl_match 2y ago
Garmin is actually pretty competitive. It's definitely more athlete and exercise focused though, to a fault.
- wintermutestwin 2y ago
  I meant a company with a full ecosystem (PC/Phone/Watch) that was competitive.
  - parl_match 2y ago
    I've found that the Garmin stuff actually integrates with healthkit pretty effectively. You can't make calls on (most) of the garmin watches, but they also have 30+ day battery (and in worse case, active GPS and music playback usage 72+ hours). But I don't want to make calls or texts or be bugged by a fitness device. Plus, the long battery life means you can sleep with it on without thinking about or caring about charging.
  - moneywoes 2y ago
    pixel watch 3?
rollcat 2y ago
S6 user here, yeah sleep tracking can be dodgy. Good to know it's not a device issue. Also the OS keeps getting slightly more buggy/glitchy with every major release. I like it that I sometimes still get a new useful feature (sleep tracking wasn't this good on release) but it kinda sucks that a 4yro device is getting overall worse because of software. Still agree, wish there was competition worth considering.
4dm1r4lg3n3r4l 2y ago
Try turning off sleep schedule and automatic sleep focus on/off. AFAIK sleep tracking uses sleep focus to determine if you try to sleep or not, it gives off false positives a lot. For example I was watching a movie, sleep focus turned on automatically at 9pm (due to my sleep schedule being set to start then), movie was boring, I had a low HR and the watch thought I was asleep. Managing sleep focus manually made the measurements pretty much spotless as I turn it on whenever I lay down to sleep and turn it off as soon as I wake up.
cipher_system 2y ago
Check out The Quantified Scientists video Best Wearables for Sleep: Scientific Rankings. He uses science test smart watches and Apple watches ranks at the top. Maybe there are other brands that works better for you or maybe this is as good as it gets with just a watch and not a full sleep lab setup? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvqRLG0K4SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvqRLG0K4SQ

1123581321 2y ago

That sounds like a peculiar issue, so maybe it'll be bug-fixed in the new iOS. They don't announce small fixes.

hombre_fatal 2y ago
It's a common issue with all health wearables because they don't have sufficient data. When your heart rate and respiration rate are at sleep level because you just slept for four hours, but you woke up and now you're waiting to go back to sleep, there isn't much that a wrist strap can do to disambiguate.
- wiredfool 2y ago
  My series 6 consistently said I had 4 minutes more sleep time than in bed time, and neither really noticeably tracked anything. Our a and Fitbit sleep tracking might not be truly accurate, but at least they’re semi plausible.
  - hombre_fatal 2y ago
    The series 9 is best in class for sleep accuracy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr4p66vSmLY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr4p66vSmLY (18:20 mark) We're now four generations of Apple Watch beyond yours.

nu11ptr 2y ago

My sleep tracking works pretty well on my S9. It isn't perfect and there are glitches and bugs I've noticed, but overall the long term trend tends to even out and feels pretty comparative to my old Fitbit.

parl_match 2y ago

Garmin is actually pretty competitive. It's definitely more athlete and exercise focused though, to a fault.

wintermutestwin 2y ago
I meant a company with a full ecosystem (PC/Phone/Watch) that was competitive.
- parl_match 2y ago
  I've found that the Garmin stuff actually integrates with healthkit pretty effectively. You can't make calls on (most) of the garmin watches, but they also have 30+ day battery (and in worse case, active GPS and music playback usage 72+ hours). But I don't want to make calls or texts or be bugged by a fitness device. Plus, the long battery life means you can sleep with it on without thinking about or caring about charging.
- moneywoes 2y ago
  pixel watch 3?

rollcat 2y ago

S6 user here, yeah sleep tracking can be dodgy. Good to know it's not a device issue. Also the OS keeps getting slightly more buggy/glitchy with every major release. I like it that I sometimes still get a new useful feature (sleep tracking wasn't this good on release) but it kinda sucks that a 4yro device is getting overall worse because of software. Still agree, wish there was competition worth considering.

4dm1r4lg3n3r4l 2y ago

Try turning off sleep schedule and automatic sleep focus on/off. AFAIK sleep tracking uses sleep focus to determine if you try to sleep or not, it gives off false positives a lot. For example I was watching a movie, sleep focus turned on automatically at 9pm (due to my sleep schedule being set to start then), movie was boring, I had a low HR and the watch thought I was asleep. Managing sleep focus manually made the measurements pretty much spotless as I turn it on whenever I lay down to sleep and turn it off as soon as I wake up.

cipher_system 2y ago

Check out The Quantified Scientists video Best Wearables for Sleep: Scientific Rankings. He uses science test smart watches and Apple watches ranks at the top. Maybe there are other brands that works better for you or maybe this is as good as it gets with just a watch and not a full sleep lab setup? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvqRLG0K4SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvqRLG0K4SQ