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The non-Pro models are still only 60hz? C'mon man, high refresh rate is hardly a luxury feature anymore. At least give them 90hz and reserve 120hz for the Pro m

The non-Pro models are still only 60hz? C'mon man, high refresh rate is hardly a luxury feature anymore. At least give them 90hz and reserve 120hz for the Pro models.

geodel 2y ago
Well, it is hardly a necessity too.
- kmac_ 2y ago
  $150 phones have better refresh rates. Once you get used to the better rates, it will spoil any scrolling on 60 Hz screens.
  - geodel 2y ago
    This is great. Now people can have superior scrolling experience at much lower price than iPhone.
    - kmac_ 2y ago
      Since I scroll quite a lot, I prefer to have a better experience with this very basic and common activity. Apple claims to provide the best experience, while it clearly does not.
      - dbtc 2y ago
        If you spend less time scrolling on your phone, you will have a better experience.
  - t0bia_s 2y ago
    I prefer to have two days battery of heavy used phone than few hours of smooth scrolling.
    - fennecbutt 2y ago
      Screens drop to 1hz when not being interacted with. On _modern_ devices, at least. This is just Apple maximising profit as usual, pushing people up the endless tiers of their product families.
    - pokerface_86 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - tshaddox 2y ago
    > Once you get used to the better rates I suspect everyone who upgrades from a $150 120Hz phone to a new iPhone will be thrilled.
    - kobalsky 2y ago
      With that take Apple would still putting 32gb on the base models.
  - raydev 2y ago
    At the cost of worse UX in every other dimension, sure.
  - dbtc 2y ago
    I used a 14 pro for 3 months before going back to 13 mini. The screen was definitely nicer on the former but I have no actual issues with the little one. Maybe because I don't wildly flick through social media feeds very much?
    - systemtest 2y ago
      It seems like 120hz is mainly designed for doomscrolling.
- dbbk 2y ago
  The vast majority of people cannot even see a difference.
  - consteval 2y ago
    Literally anyone picked off the street will notice jumping from 60hz to 120hz after maybe, I don't know, 2 seconds of swiping around. You have it backwards. Nobody is pro gaming on an iPhone. That high refresh rate doesn't have a real, practical purpose. It just looks really really good and immediately grabs your eye - it's candy.
    - dbbk 2y ago
      They can't notice motion smoothing either.
    - lucb1e 2y ago
      The current top comment talks about how an average person "can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED" and I was shaking my head. While I got used to LCD again after having OLED for a few years, it took multiple months for me to stop noticing the faux-gray dark patches. It makes a real difference and you instantly see it when you hold phones side by side with a screen or picture that includes any dark section. If you know what to look for, you can also tell at a glance without a side-by-side comparison > Literally anyone picked off the street will notice jumping from 60hz to 120hz after maybe, I don't know, 2 seconds of swiping around. But frame rates? I was curious to see what the hype was about and walked over to the phones section in a nearby tech store when I was there to buy something unrelated. Side by side, I just cannot tell the difference. I'm swiping fast and slow but I cannot tell whether one is smoother or if that's my brain doing this placebo thing. I'd be very curious if I can tell in a blind test. Perhaps I could, but it's so close that I really don't see the point of making a big deal out of selecting for screen refresh rate, for myself at least
      - musictubes 2y ago
        There are three types of people when it comes to OLED/fast refresh rates. 1) OMG! What an upgrade! I will never own another phone without this! 2) Eh, I see what the difference is. I don’t care/it isn’t worth the price. 3) What are you talking about? I don’t see any difference. 2 and 3 combined are probably the majority of people. The first post is literally about his girlfriend not noticing screen differences. There are plenty of people like that.
- heraldgeezer 2y ago
  It's REALLY nice, though. I immediately notice if I switch my android from 120hz to 60hz. Even cheap Samsung models have high hz screens now.
throwaway290 2y ago
PWM probably too? I keep waiting for the return of sweet smooth LCD but I guess my 11 is the last model...
- wrcwill 2y ago
  yup, ill keep using the 11/se until they stop using pwm for their oled screens (most oled tvs can dc dimming just fine)
- vitaflo 2y ago
  PWM absolutely kills all iPhone purchases for me. It's why I'm still using an SE.
onlyrealcuzzo 2y ago
Genuine question: what are you doing on a phone that you need 120hz?
- dilap 2y ago
  Scrolling (much nicer/smoother feeling 120hz).
- _ph_ 2y ago
  Scrolling is quite much more plesant at 120 Hz.
yodsanklai 2y ago
Does it make a difference though? I don't even know what the refresh rate of my phone is.
- wingerlang 2y ago
  I am happy with 60hz but I did stumble upon a 120hz phone the other week and it was instantly noticeably nicer, so much so that my next phone likely will be whatever iPhone has 120hz.
veber-alex 2y ago
60Hz is the new 8GB

The non-Pro models are still only 60hz? C'mon man, high refresh rate is hardly a luxury feature anymore. At least give them 90hz and reserve 120hz for the Pro models.

geodel 2y ago

Well, it is hardly a necessity too.

kmac_ 2y ago
$150 phones have better refresh rates. Once you get used to the better rates, it will spoil any scrolling on 60 Hz screens.
- geodel 2y ago
  This is great. Now people can have superior scrolling experience at much lower price than iPhone.
  - kmac_ 2y ago
    Since I scroll quite a lot, I prefer to have a better experience with this very basic and common activity. Apple claims to provide the best experience, while it clearly does not.
    - dbtc 2y ago
      If you spend less time scrolling on your phone, you will have a better experience.
- t0bia_s 2y ago
  I prefer to have two days battery of heavy used phone than few hours of smooth scrolling.
  - fennecbutt 2y ago
    Screens drop to 1hz when not being interacted with. On _modern_ devices, at least. This is just Apple maximising profit as usual, pushing people up the endless tiers of their product families.
  - pokerface_86 2y ago
    [flagged]
- tshaddox 2y ago
  > Once you get used to the better rates I suspect everyone who upgrades from a $150 120Hz phone to a new iPhone will be thrilled.
  - kobalsky 2y ago
    With that take Apple would still putting 32gb on the base models.
- raydev 2y ago
  At the cost of worse UX in every other dimension, sure.
- dbtc 2y ago
  I used a 14 pro for 3 months before going back to 13 mini. The screen was definitely nicer on the former but I have no actual issues with the little one. Maybe because I don't wildly flick through social media feeds very much?
  - systemtest 2y ago
    It seems like 120hz is mainly designed for doomscrolling.
dbbk 2y ago
The vast majority of people cannot even see a difference.
- consteval 2y ago
  Literally anyone picked off the street will notice jumping from 60hz to 120hz after maybe, I don't know, 2 seconds of swiping around. You have it backwards. Nobody is pro gaming on an iPhone. That high refresh rate doesn't have a real, practical purpose. It just looks really really good and immediately grabs your eye - it's candy.
  - dbbk 2y ago
    They can't notice motion smoothing either.
  - lucb1e 2y ago
    The current top comment talks about how an average person "can't tell the difference between LCD and OLED" and I was shaking my head. While I got used to LCD again after having OLED for a few years, it took multiple months for me to stop noticing the faux-gray dark patches. It makes a real difference and you instantly see it when you hold phones side by side with a screen or picture that includes any dark section. If you know what to look for, you can also tell at a glance without a side-by-side comparison > Literally anyone picked off the street will notice jumping from 60hz to 120hz after maybe, I don't know, 2 seconds of swiping around. But frame rates? I was curious to see what the hype was about and walked over to the phones section in a nearby tech store when I was there to buy something unrelated. Side by side, I just cannot tell the difference. I'm swiping fast and slow but I cannot tell whether one is smoother or if that's my brain doing this placebo thing. I'd be very curious if I can tell in a blind test. Perhaps I could, but it's so close that I really don't see the point of making a big deal out of selecting for screen refresh rate, for myself at least
    - musictubes 2y ago
      There are three types of people when it comes to OLED/fast refresh rates. 1) OMG! What an upgrade! I will never own another phone without this! 2) Eh, I see what the difference is. I don’t care/it isn’t worth the price. 3) What are you talking about? I don’t see any difference. 2 and 3 combined are probably the majority of people. The first post is literally about his girlfriend not noticing screen differences. There are plenty of people like that.
heraldgeezer 2y ago
It's REALLY nice, though. I immediately notice if I switch my android from 120hz to 60hz. Even cheap Samsung models have high hz screens now.

throwaway290 2y ago

PWM probably too? I keep waiting for the return of sweet smooth LCD but I guess my 11 is the last model...

wrcwill 2y ago
yup, ill keep using the 11/se until they stop using pwm for their oled screens (most oled tvs can dc dimming just fine)
vitaflo 2y ago
PWM absolutely kills all iPhone purchases for me. It's why I'm still using an SE.

onlyrealcuzzo 2y ago

Genuine question: what are you doing on a phone that you need 120hz?

dilap 2y ago
Scrolling (much nicer/smoother feeling 120hz).
_ph_ 2y ago
Scrolling is quite much more plesant at 120 Hz.

yodsanklai 2y ago

Does it make a difference though? I don't even know what the refresh rate of my phone is.

wingerlang 2y ago
I am happy with 60hz but I did stumble upon a 120hz phone the other week and it was instantly noticeably nicer, so much so that my next phone likely will be whatever iPhone has 120hz.

veber-alex 2y ago

60Hz is the new 8GB