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How about just appreciation for the continuation of a good work? Titles aside, it should be no brainer increasing the salary by 30-50% periodically without chan

by zerr 2y ago

How about just appreciation for the continuation of a good work? Titles aside, it should be no brainer increasing the salary by 30-50% periodically without changing the type of the job. Otherwise, people will leave, continuing the same type of job they enjoy at companies which pay 30-50% more.

Aeolun 2y ago
There’s zero places in the world paying 30-50% more for burger flippers though. I just don’t think it makes sense to pay more over time because if they leave it takes about 3 days to grow a rookie to roughly the same skill level.
- zerr 2y ago
  I meant experienced engineers who just enjoy engineering.
  - chung8123 2y ago
    There is a ceiling to how much value you can add vs someone that is not getting a 30-40% bump. Your salary is going to be a formula based on the value you add to the company and their ability to find someone else to do that work for less. There are a lot of factors of course but the gist of it is if you keep doing the same work and providing the same value increasing a salary by a large percentage just doesn't make sense.
    - re-thc 2y ago
      > There are a lot of factors of course but the gist of it is if you keep doing the same work and providing the same value If only we do the "same" work and provide the "same" value in software. 90% of the time you're always doing something different and hence why estimates fail. Someone that knows the ins and outs of an ever complex system will be worth the 30-40% bump. If it was so simple there would be a lot less stories about rewrites etc, which often occur because no 1 knows and maintained the existing system.
    - aeonik 2y ago
      There isn't really a ceiling to great engineers, I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. As an engineer, your knowledge base constantly expands, and building a well engineered system can make a product far better for far cheaper. Knowing how an entire large or complicated product works can be very important, and can take an immense amount of time. In fact, most engineering jobs that I've worked existed entirely because shoddy and poorly engineered products needed whole new product categories invented to make up for shortcomings.

by zerr 2y ago

Aeolun 2y ago

There’s zero places in the world paying 30-50% more for burger flippers though. I just don’t think it makes sense to pay more over time because if they leave it takes about 3 days to grow a rookie to roughly the same skill level.

zerr 2y ago
I meant experienced engineers who just enjoy engineering.
- chung8123 2y ago
  There is a ceiling to how much value you can add vs someone that is not getting a 30-40% bump. Your salary is going to be a formula based on the value you add to the company and their ability to find someone else to do that work for less. There are a lot of factors of course but the gist of it is if you keep doing the same work and providing the same value increasing a salary by a large percentage just doesn't make sense.
  - re-thc 2y ago
    > There are a lot of factors of course but the gist of it is if you keep doing the same work and providing the same value If only we do the "same" work and provide the "same" value in software. 90% of the time you're always doing something different and hence why estimates fail. Someone that knows the ins and outs of an ever complex system will be worth the 30-40% bump. If it was so simple there would be a lot less stories about rewrites etc, which often occur because no 1 knows and maintained the existing system.
  - aeonik 2y ago
    There isn't really a ceiling to great engineers, I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion. As an engineer, your knowledge base constantly expands, and building a well engineered system can make a product far better for far cheaper. Knowing how an entire large or complicated product works can be very important, and can take an immense amount of time. In fact, most engineering jobs that I've worked existed entirely because shoddy and poorly engineered products needed whole new product categories invented to make up for shortcomings.