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Gnome isn't perfect, but is the closest thing to Apple's minimalistic mindset, and surpasses MacOS imo. And it's customizable! If you're a power-user that like

Gnome isn't perfect, but is the closest thing to Apple's minimalistic mindset, and surpasses MacOS imo. And it's customizable! If you're a power-user that likes having many toolbars, don't use gnome, there are other amazing DEs made for you The main strength of the Linux desktop is its diversity

pshirshov 2y ago
Try to compare Mac UI of Lion times with modern one. Modern one is an unorganised mess full of artifacts.
- arnaudsm 2y ago
  I agree. Nothing is worse than a minimalistic UI with a pile of unstructured afterthoughts. Just like trees, you can date an app by counting how many toolbars it has That's what happens when 20 PMs overrule each other and fight for exposure instead of caring for UX
ginko 2y ago
>If you're a power-user that likes having many toolbars, don't use gnome, there are other amazing DEs made for you The problem is that Gnome has infected GTK to the point that it's really hard to avoid all their (imo) poor design choices (like lack of menu bars, hidden scrollbars, dialog dismiss buttons on top right) if you're using a GTK based DE like XFCE.
- tristan957 2y ago
  GTK has a menubar widget. GtkDialog is deprecated. Just use a GtkWindow and design it how you feel.
  - dxroshan 2y ago
    The menubar widget is removed in GTK 4. There is GtkPopoverMenubar in GTK 4, but it is not equivalent of traditional menubar. https://www.reddit.com/r/GTK/comments/xdfgjr/api_changes_in_gtk4_removal_of_gtkmenu/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GTK/comments/xdfgjr/api_changes_in_...
Jnr 2y ago
I would say that it seems like Apple has somewhat abandoned MacOS and is instead fully focusing on iOS. For me personally Gnome UI and UX is cleaner and simpler than MacOS. At the same time there are awesome community extensions that can fine tune Gnome behavior in ways MacOS users can only dream about. I have used Gnome 2 before and while I was a bit skeptical at the launch of Gnome 3, I have embraced their approach and Gnome is currently my favorite DE by far. I really wanted to like KDE because they implemented some technical features (fractional scaling, VRR, tearing support) years before Gnome, but it's too bloated and outdated for my liking. I rather live without some of those Wayland features that KDE support than loose the clean and less distracting looks and workflow of Gnome. Gnome made a hard decision by going this direction and lost some users along the way, but I think that in the long term it has been worth it and has pushed Linux desktop further.
- sunny_sigara 2y ago
  How much do you know about MacOS ? Mac is more customisable than Gnome. I gather best 100 gnome extensions and still find mac more customisable as in mac everything is app including extensions. And there are gazzilions of apps in mac. And 100 extensions/apps on mac works amazing, on gnome even 25 extensions causing trouble and interfering with each other. So I throw back your at word at you. “Gnome can only dream about the way mac users can customise”. This doesn’t happen over night though. You need to drive deep.
  - Jnr 2y ago
    Been using MacOS for 12 years as well and I still dislike it. On my Arch development machine I have about 30 Gnome extensions that play nicely together. I have also developed extensions on Gnome and I can certainly do much more extending than MacOS allows. Developer documentation for Gnome is bad, but if you dig in the code, you can make anything happen and the community is quite helpful if you are stuck and out of ideas. Workspace navigation, window management between workspaces and on workspaces is a lot nicer and certainly more advanced on Gnome. On Gnome, extensions integrate into the control center directly, while on MacOS everything is a separate paid app that has different UI/UX. And once you have too many of those helper apps in the top bar on MacOS, they disappear between the notch on newer Macbooks. You simply can not access them anymore, they are permanently hidden until you close other apps to make space, which is just ridiculous. And try extending the top menu or dock on MacOS. It is not possible in a nice way. I have tried and paid for many tools on MacOS and it still is bad. You simply have to accept the defaults if you want to have a good time. And those defaults are counter productive for me personally.

pshirshov 2y ago

Try to compare Mac UI of Lion times with modern one. Modern one is an unorganised mess full of artifacts.

arnaudsm 2y ago
I agree. Nothing is worse than a minimalistic UI with a pile of unstructured afterthoughts. Just like trees, you can date an app by counting how many toolbars it has That's what happens when 20 PMs overrule each other and fight for exposure instead of caring for UX

ginko 2y ago

>If you're a power-user that likes having many toolbars, don't use gnome, there are other amazing DEs made for you The problem is that Gnome has infected GTK to the point that it's really hard to avoid all their (imo) poor design choices (like lack of menu bars, hidden scrollbars, dialog dismiss buttons on top right) if you're using a GTK based DE like XFCE.

tristan957 2y ago
GTK has a menubar widget. GtkDialog is deprecated. Just use a GtkWindow and design it how you feel.
- dxroshan 2y ago
  The menubar widget is removed in GTK 4. There is GtkPopoverMenubar in GTK 4, but it is not equivalent of traditional menubar. https://www.reddit.com/r/GTK/comments/xdfgjr/api_changes_in_gtk4_removal_of_gtkmenu/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GTK/comments/xdfgjr/api_changes_in_...

Jnr 2y ago

I would say that it seems like Apple has somewhat abandoned MacOS and is instead fully focusing on iOS. For me personally Gnome UI and UX is cleaner and simpler than MacOS. At the same time there are awesome community extensions that can fine tune Gnome behavior in ways MacOS users can only dream about. I have used Gnome 2 before and while I was a bit skeptical at the launch of Gnome 3, I have embraced their approach and Gnome is currently my favorite DE by far. I really wanted to like KDE because they implemented some technical features (fractional scaling, VRR, tearing support) years before Gnome, but it's too bloated and outdated for my liking. I rather live without some of those Wayland features that KDE support than loose the clean and less distracting looks and workflow of Gnome. Gnome made a hard decision by going this direction and lost some users along the way, but I think that in the long term it has been worth it and has pushed Linux desktop further.

sunny_sigara 2y ago
How much do you know about MacOS ? Mac is more customisable than Gnome. I gather best 100 gnome extensions and still find mac more customisable as in mac everything is app including extensions. And there are gazzilions of apps in mac. And 100 extensions/apps on mac works amazing, on gnome even 25 extensions causing trouble and interfering with each other. So I throw back your at word at you. “Gnome can only dream about the way mac users can customise”. This doesn’t happen over night though. You need to drive deep.
- Jnr 2y ago
  Been using MacOS for 12 years as well and I still dislike it. On my Arch development machine I have about 30 Gnome extensions that play nicely together. I have also developed extensions on Gnome and I can certainly do much more extending than MacOS allows. Developer documentation for Gnome is bad, but if you dig in the code, you can make anything happen and the community is quite helpful if you are stuck and out of ideas. Workspace navigation, window management between workspaces and on workspaces is a lot nicer and certainly more advanced on Gnome. On Gnome, extensions integrate into the control center directly, while on MacOS everything is a separate paid app that has different UI/UX. And once you have too many of those helper apps in the top bar on MacOS, they disappear between the notch on newer Macbooks. You simply can not access them anymore, they are permanently hidden until you close other apps to make space, which is just ridiculous. And try extending the top menu or dock on MacOS. It is not possible in a nice way. I have tried and paid for many tools on MacOS and it still is bad. You simply have to accept the defaults if you want to have a good time. And those defaults are counter productive for me personally.