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> It has been falsely claimed that the measure undertaken by MCMC is a draconian measure. We reiterate that Malaysia’s implementation is for the protection of v

> It has been falsely claimed that the measure undertaken by MCMC is a draconian measure. We reiterate that Malaysia’s implementation is for the protection of vulnerable groups from harmful online content. That's how it _always_ starts out, the "its for your own good, trust me" excuse.

zarzavat 2y ago
Malaysia famously banned the movie Babe because a talking pig might offend religious sensibilities. It’s a safe to say that freedom of expression is not a high priority over there.
1oooqooq 2y ago
"think of the children" is never out of style. but remember we have this (widespread from 90s to 2010) to this day in the USA, and they don't even bother with excuses. just shove advertising and hijack searches right on your face. google didn't force httpsdns on your browser for nothing. it was digging in THEIR pockets.
- pipes 2y ago
  Not exactly the same thing, as it isn't a law.
  - speedchess 2y ago
    Which makes it worse in many ways. The entire tech, business, etc world has adopted the same censorship regime without government orders. So who is giving out the orders?
    - linotype 2y ago
      Shareholders.
- spacemanspiff01 2y ago
  Why does Google benefit from httpsdns?
  - em-bee 2y ago
    httpsdns in the chrome browser will by default go to googles dns servers allowing them to collect all the tracking data.
    - selcuka 2y ago
      They could've done that without httpsdns too.
      - em-bee 2y ago
        yes, but then they would have upset local admins for bypassing the local resolver. that is still an issue with httpdns, but now they have a better argument against using the local resolver as default. the ideal situation would actually be to implement httpdns on the OS/router level and allow the user/local admin choose the policy. i expect that this is going to happen soon in most linux distributions.
        brookst 2y ago
        Surely they could just as easily report all DNS queries to Google under the guise of telemetry or search optimization or whatever. And of course let people disable that, which about 0.001% would do. Httpdns is too complex of a solution to the business goal you’re suggesting. There are much simpler / less expensive ways of doing it.
  - 1oooqooq 2y ago
    Before it, typing "hawaii Hotels" on the addresa bar and pressing enter would generate a dns search... Verizon et al woule intercept and send you to THEIR search engine. It's the main reason google google pushed httpdns and chrome. So you go to google.com. google current money cow is literally AOL keywords.
chaostheory 2y ago
This is also coming from a country that’s implemented apartheid
- vondur 2y ago
  Malaysia has an apartheid policy?
  - ImJamal 2y ago
    Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketuanan_Melayu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketuanan_Melayu
    - vondur 2y ago
      Wow, didn't know this. I have a friend from Indonesia, who is of Chinese descent. They were forced to take Indonesian names and ditch their Chinese names.
    - madbkarim 2y ago
      To compare “Ketuanan Melayu” to apartheid is a bit of stretch, no? Apartheid was implemented by the non-natives (i.e. white colonialists) towards the natives, while this is a different concept.
      - ImJamal 2y ago
        I don't know the veracity, but according to Wikipedia the British encouraged the system. So while the British may not have directly caused it they let it fester while they controlled Malaysia. Regardless, when I look up the definition of apartheid it doesn't seem to require the non-natives being the ones to implement it.
  - chaostheory 2y ago
    Yes, for anyone not part of the majority Malaysian population, specifically against Indian and Chinese people.
mensetmanusman 2y ago
Has anyone built the AI web browser yet? The one that redraws any image you might find offensive, rewords advertisements, and rephrases comments to be positive? That would be cool?
- causality0 2y ago
  In the past I've had fun with extensions that randomize genders and ethnicities.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
  Hah. It is still early morning so I let my mind run wild for a while. I am not aware of any public facing projects that do that, but in my minds eye I saw polymorphic browser adjusting its code to meet the new AI web that is constantly in flux. You want privacy? It stamps out any attempts at fingerprinting by attempting to be the most common browser (and config) out there, it spoofs any and all identifying data, it redraws pages without paywalls, without cookie notices and puts all pages in simple text output mode removing all other ads in the process, but keeps pictures for fora that use them. You want 1984? It won't let you see anything that is not approved by the party. Onwards, to our glorious future. edit: Valuemaxx edition. Store pages with discounts have bruteforced discounts found and added for maximum value. It already is crazy. I can't even begin to imagine it being more crazy.
  - mensetmanusman 2y ago
    This should exist. You could get to such low bandwidth with such a system. Every image could be replaced by a description. Etc.
- TacticalCoder 2y ago
  > The one that redraws any image you might find offensive, rewords advertisements, and rephrases comments to be positive? You're kidding but I've already toyed with using AI models to analyze browsers' screenshots and determining if it's likely phishing or not and it works very well.
protomolecule 2y ago
Every power can be used for good or for evil.
- Aerbil313 2y ago
  No power used by humans exists in a vacuum. In the hands of human beings, most powers are heavily biased towards one extreme in the spectrum. Man doesn't shape the world with the tools of the time - technology shapes the world and the man. Jacques Ellul and/or Ted Kaczynski might be a starting point on this matter.
cebert 2y ago
It’s for the children! Don’t you love children?
fasa99 2y ago
It's completely insane. "We have been blessed by the Lord above to have the superhuman ability to predict what will cause harm, please take our blessings onto you, we shall altruistically protect you from harm". The whole precedent of the language is also insane. Imagine if words COULD in reality cause harm. Monty Python satirized the concept here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qklvh5Cp_Bs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qklvh5Cp_Bs The "online words cause harm" is as absurd as that skit. Really the damage is in people claiming to have been harmed, emotionally, by a word, them wielding that as victim-power aka crybullying - that can translate into school/career/legal problems that are more of a quantifiable harm. Further, if words were so damaging, as Monty Python shown us, they would immediately be weaponized, the sensitivity to this topic is extreme hyperbole. Since the premise of works causing harm is nonsense, the definition of harm is equally superfluous. Talk to any student council president or HOA president who only did it for the power, about some initiative they alone are driving against the wishes of the group, and you will find hand waves and sugarcoats everywhere, their selfish intent somewhat easy to see behind the well-sounding good-intending reasons. Politics at the national scale is the same exact game, just that the power hungry people waving hands are much skilled and experienced.

zarzavat 2y ago

Malaysia famously banned the movie Babe because a talking pig might offend religious sensibilities. It’s a safe to say that freedom of expression is not a high priority over there.

1oooqooq 2y ago

"think of the children" is never out of style. but remember we have this (widespread from 90s to 2010) to this day in the USA, and they don't even bother with excuses. just shove advertising and hijack searches right on your face. google didn't force httpsdns on your browser for nothing. it was digging in THEIR pockets.

pipes 2y ago
Not exactly the same thing, as it isn't a law.
- speedchess 2y ago
  Which makes it worse in many ways. The entire tech, business, etc world has adopted the same censorship regime without government orders. So who is giving out the orders?
  - linotype 2y ago
    Shareholders.
spacemanspiff01 2y ago
Why does Google benefit from httpsdns?
- em-bee 2y ago
  httpsdns in the chrome browser will by default go to googles dns servers allowing them to collect all the tracking data.
  - selcuka 2y ago
    They could've done that without httpsdns too.
    - em-bee 2y ago
      yes, but then they would have upset local admins for bypassing the local resolver. that is still an issue with httpdns, but now they have a better argument against using the local resolver as default. the ideal situation would actually be to implement httpdns on the OS/router level and allow the user/local admin choose the policy. i expect that this is going to happen soon in most linux distributions.
      - brookst 2y ago
        Surely they could just as easily report all DNS queries to Google under the guise of telemetry or search optimization or whatever. And of course let people disable that, which about 0.001% would do. Httpdns is too complex of a solution to the business goal you’re suggesting. There are much simpler / less expensive ways of doing it.
- 1oooqooq 2y ago
  Before it, typing "hawaii Hotels" on the addresa bar and pressing enter would generate a dns search... Verizon et al woule intercept and send you to THEIR search engine. It's the main reason google google pushed httpdns and chrome. So you go to google.com. google current money cow is literally AOL keywords.

chaostheory 2y ago

This is also coming from a country that’s implemented apartheid

vondur 2y ago
Malaysia has an apartheid policy?
- ImJamal 2y ago
  Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketuanan_Melayu https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketuanan_Melayu
  - vondur 2y ago
    Wow, didn't know this. I have a friend from Indonesia, who is of Chinese descent. They were forced to take Indonesian names and ditch their Chinese names.
  - madbkarim 2y ago
    To compare “Ketuanan Melayu” to apartheid is a bit of stretch, no? Apartheid was implemented by the non-natives (i.e. white colonialists) towards the natives, while this is a different concept.
    - ImJamal 2y ago
      I don't know the veracity, but according to Wikipedia the British encouraged the system. So while the British may not have directly caused it they let it fester while they controlled Malaysia. Regardless, when I look up the definition of apartheid it doesn't seem to require the non-natives being the ones to implement it.
- chaostheory 2y ago
  Yes, for anyone not part of the majority Malaysian population, specifically against Indian and Chinese people.

mensetmanusman 2y ago

Has anyone built the AI web browser yet? The one that redraws any image you might find offensive, rewords advertisements, and rephrases comments to be positive? That would be cool?

causality0 2y ago
In the past I've had fun with extensions that randomize genders and ethnicities.
A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
Hah. It is still early morning so I let my mind run wild for a while. I am not aware of any public facing projects that do that, but in my minds eye I saw polymorphic browser adjusting its code to meet the new AI web that is constantly in flux. You want privacy? It stamps out any attempts at fingerprinting by attempting to be the most common browser (and config) out there, it spoofs any and all identifying data, it redraws pages without paywalls, without cookie notices and puts all pages in simple text output mode removing all other ads in the process, but keeps pictures for fora that use them. You want 1984? It won't let you see anything that is not approved by the party. Onwards, to our glorious future. edit: Valuemaxx edition. Store pages with discounts have bruteforced discounts found and added for maximum value. It already is crazy. I can't even begin to imagine it being more crazy.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  This should exist. You could get to such low bandwidth with such a system. Every image could be replaced by a description. Etc.
TacticalCoder 2y ago
> The one that redraws any image you might find offensive, rewords advertisements, and rephrases comments to be positive? You're kidding but I've already toyed with using AI models to analyze browsers' screenshots and determining if it's likely phishing or not and it works very well.

protomolecule 2y ago

Every power can be used for good or for evil.

Aerbil313 2y ago
No power used by humans exists in a vacuum. In the hands of human beings, most powers are heavily biased towards one extreme in the spectrum. Man doesn't shape the world with the tools of the time - technology shapes the world and the man. Jacques Ellul and/or Ted Kaczynski might be a starting point on this matter.

cebert 2y ago

It’s for the children! Don’t you love children?

fasa99 2y ago

It's completely insane. "We have been blessed by the Lord above to have the superhuman ability to predict what will cause harm, please take our blessings onto you, we shall altruistically protect you from harm". The whole precedent of the language is also insane. Imagine if words COULD in reality cause harm. Monty Python satirized the concept here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qklvh5Cp_Bs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qklvh5Cp_Bs The "online words cause harm" is as absurd as that skit. Really the damage is in people claiming to have been harmed, emotionally, by a word, them wielding that as victim-power aka crybullying - that can translate into school/career/legal problems that are more of a quantifiable harm. Further, if words were so damaging, as Monty Python shown us, they would immediately be weaponized, the sensitivity to this topic is extreme hyperbole. Since the premise of works causing harm is nonsense, the definition of harm is equally superfluous. Talk to any student council president or HOA president who only did it for the power, about some initiative they alone are driving against the wishes of the group, and you will find hand waves and sugarcoats everywhere, their selfish intent somewhat easy to see behind the well-sounding good-intending reasons. Politics at the national scale is the same exact game, just that the power hungry people waving hands are much skilled and experienced.