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Whatever they vote for, if uncensored information is not available, they are not making an informed decision and are likely only hearing one sides arguments.

graemep 2y ago
Most countries have some sort of censorship. RT is banned (broadcasts and streams not allowed, and website blocked) in the UK. Libraries will not stock books with certain points of view reflecting the views of those who fund or run them (AFAIK LGBT stuff in some American schools, gender critical views in some British public libraries). Mein Kampf used to be effectively banned in Germany and has been actually banned in a few places.
- stop50 2y ago
  Tgey used copyright to prevent that simeone makes new copies. Old copies were not affected.
- kmlx 2y ago
  > RT is banned (broadcasts and streams not allowed, and website blocked) in the UK. no VPN, rt.com works just fine in the UK, no issues. i think they banned the live TV in the EU and UK. and i think they also banned the website in the EU, but apparently it’s not enforced? https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-rt-sputnik-eu-access-bans-propaganda-ukraine-war/32803929.html https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-rt-sputnik-eu-access-bans-p... haven’t found anything about rt.com being banned in the UK thou.
  - qingdao99 2y ago
    Blocked for me! Virgin Media is my ISP. Maybe your ISP is less restrictive/compliant (not sure if the block is actually mandated).
    - kmlx 2y ago
      could be. running on hyperoptic with cloudflare doh.
      - graemep 2y ago
        My ISP (Zen) blocks at DNS level so its probably the cloudflare doh that lets you see it.
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  > Most countries have some sort of censorship. This is a notable area where the US is an exception, and is significantly more free than other western countries. No need to worry about art or materials being censored here, at least outside of specific contexts like some states banning books from schools.
  - chgs 2y ago
    No it’s not. The US is consistently banning free speech - including are you rightly say banning books in schools. It’s just that the restrictions the US has are determined by Americans to be the right levels and other restrictions (for example laws against glorifying nazism) are the wrong levels. The sad thing is Americans believe the propaganda that they have freedom and nowhere else does and therefore their restrictions on speech aren’t real but others are.
    - j-bos 2y ago
      When was the last time someone in the US was arrested for hate speech?
    - Hizonner 2y ago
      The US "levels" are quite a bit lower than almost anybody else's "levels".
    - throwaway48476 2y ago
      My school library didn't have any of the hardy boys. Was it banned?
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      > No it’s not. The US is consistently banning free speech - including are you rightly say banning books in schools. Some states are doing that at a state level in limited contexts. Individuals are still free to post or publish whatever they want. > It’s just that the restrictions the US has are determined by Americans to be the right levels and other restrictions (for example laws against glorifying nazism) are the wrong levels. No, it's that in the US this kind of freedom is significantly more protected and culturally important. > The sad thing is Americans believe the propaganda that they have freedom and nowhere else does and therefore their restrictions on speech aren’t real but others are. I would say the sad thing is anti-US sentiment can be so high that people won't debate something like this in good faith and look at the various cases and histories.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  I think countries have the right to ban disinformation and lies dedicated to social unrest. If England did ban it, that would probably be the reason, “news” presented as facts and reporting, shouldn’t be outright lies.
timomaxgalvin 2y ago
Most people want censorship.

graemep 2y ago

Most countries have some sort of censorship. RT is banned (broadcasts and streams not allowed, and website blocked) in the UK. Libraries will not stock books with certain points of view reflecting the views of those who fund or run them (AFAIK LGBT stuff in some American schools, gender critical views in some British public libraries). Mein Kampf used to be effectively banned in Germany and has been actually banned in a few places.

stop50 2y ago
Tgey used copyright to prevent that simeone makes new copies. Old copies were not affected.
kmlx 2y ago
> RT is banned (broadcasts and streams not allowed, and website blocked) in the UK. no VPN, rt.com works just fine in the UK, no issues. i think they banned the live TV in the EU and UK. and i think they also banned the website in the EU, but apparently it’s not enforced? https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-rt-sputnik-eu-access-bans-propaganda-ukraine-war/32803929.html https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-rt-sputnik-eu-access-bans-p... haven’t found anything about rt.com being banned in the UK thou.
- qingdao99 2y ago
  Blocked for me! Virgin Media is my ISP. Maybe your ISP is less restrictive/compliant (not sure if the block is actually mandated).
  - kmlx 2y ago
    could be. running on hyperoptic with cloudflare doh.
    - graemep 2y ago
      My ISP (Zen) blocks at DNS level so its probably the cloudflare doh that lets you see it.
ruthmarx 2y ago
> Most countries have some sort of censorship. This is a notable area where the US is an exception, and is significantly more free than other western countries. No need to worry about art or materials being censored here, at least outside of specific contexts like some states banning books from schools.
- chgs 2y ago
  No it’s not. The US is consistently banning free speech - including are you rightly say banning books in schools. It’s just that the restrictions the US has are determined by Americans to be the right levels and other restrictions (for example laws against glorifying nazism) are the wrong levels. The sad thing is Americans believe the propaganda that they have freedom and nowhere else does and therefore their restrictions on speech aren’t real but others are.
  - j-bos 2y ago
    When was the last time someone in the US was arrested for hate speech?
  - Hizonner 2y ago
    The US "levels" are quite a bit lower than almost anybody else's "levels".
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    My school library didn't have any of the hardy boys. Was it banned?
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    > No it’s not. The US is consistently banning free speech - including are you rightly say banning books in schools. Some states are doing that at a state level in limited contexts. Individuals are still free to post or publish whatever they want. > It’s just that the restrictions the US has are determined by Americans to be the right levels and other restrictions (for example laws against glorifying nazism) are the wrong levels. No, it's that in the US this kind of freedom is significantly more protected and culturally important. > The sad thing is Americans believe the propaganda that they have freedom and nowhere else does and therefore their restrictions on speech aren’t real but others are. I would say the sad thing is anti-US sentiment can be so high that people won't debate something like this in good faith and look at the various cases and histories.
EasyMark 2y ago
I think countries have the right to ban disinformation and lies dedicated to social unrest. If England did ban it, that would probably be the reason, “news” presented as facts and reporting, shouldn’t be outright lies.

timomaxgalvin 2y ago

Most people want censorship.