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In this case, the "malicious sites" that the government approved DNS providers block almost certainly includes life saving LGBT resources. It will not stop ther
by aussieguy1234 2y ago
In this case, the "malicious sites" that the government approved DNS providers block almost certainly includes life saving LGBT resources. It will not stop there however, expect anything anti government to be blocked. Democracy does not have a good track record in Malaysia.
Of course there are still ways around this. Use a good VPN like Proton.
This is still for sure going to be copied by authoritarian regimes worldwide.
- csomar 2y agoMalaysia doesn't have a stellar democratic record but it's still a democracy. Also, a stellar democratic Malaysia will still vote for this. Don't confuse Democracy with Liberal values.
- m2f2 2y ago[flagged]
- Underphil 2y agoPretty sure they protect the will of the majority, whoever they may be. That's my take anyway.
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- markdown 2y agoNope. That's not what the word democracy means.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoI'm glad you're here to correct everyone /s
- bachskratch 2y ago[flagged]
- blackoil 2y ago"Real democracies" is hypothetical like "Real Communism". In the Real World democracy means voice of the majority. So, if majority believes abortion should be illegal it will be.
- JumpCrisscross 2y agoSparta and Carthage had elected governments. Hell, Imperial Rome had electeds. Elections are a prerequisite for democracy, not a proof of one.
- cdogl 2y agoWithout universal suffrage I think the comparison between modern democracies and these examples is apples and oranges. The voters in Rome and Sparta were a small elite, so their “democracy” is more like a novel form of power sharing in an otherwise bog standard system.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Without universal suffrage I think the comparison between modern democracies and these examples is apples and oranges Universal suffrage is an ideal entirely reliant on how the denominator is defined. Delineating the polity (i.e., polis) is an institution in democratic exercise--we traditionally punt this question to that of citizenship.
- BlueTemplar 2y agoYes, but I think everyone agrees that non-adults shouldn't be allowed to vote (being dependent on their parents), while if a country has too big of a chunk of its adult population without the right to vote (think if Quatar was a democracy, because citizenship is so restricted there), it would not count as "universal suffrage" ? (On the opposite, you have countries where you can vote in local elections even if you do NOT have citizenship.)
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- swarnie 2y agoFor fk sake, can we just have one comment section that doesn't involve US politics on the internet?? It's exhausting for the other 7 billion of us who want to talk about literally anything else
- vinay427 2y agoThere was maybe a more constructive way to phrase this, but I agree with the sentiment. I think people from the US should be included in the 7 billion, at this rate. For instance, this is probably the worst part about being in the UK while being from the US. It seems rather difficult for people from places very closely tied to US politics (culturally, linguistically, politically, and diplomatically) to not redirect a conversation about any other country to the US especially if someone from the US is present.
- ruthmarx 2y agoThe US runs the world and it's election season. It's always going to come up especially as a point of comparison in a topic like this.
- ReptileMan 2y agoReal democracies are tyrannies of the 51%
- consumerx 2y agoExactly
- kergonath 2y agoOn any specific issue that’s right, but it is lot the case at the system level. The reason why is that even if you are on the winning side sometimes, a lot of factors ensure that you’ll be on the 49% side every now and then. And then it is in your interest that your rights are defended. This is not some new or particularly deep insight. It is the basis of political liberalism.
- stoperaticless 2y agoVery true if 51% is somehow disconnected/shielded from the 49% and power basically never changes sides. But it is only technically correct, if tyrants regularly agree to cede the power to new tyrant without bloodshed or even a tantrum.
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- aussieguy1234 2y agoWhatever they vote for, if uncensored information is not available, they are not making an informed decision and are likely only hearing one sides arguments.
- graemep 2y agoMost countries have some sort of censorship. RT is banned (broadcasts and streams not allowed, and website blocked) in the UK. Libraries will not stock books with certain points of view reflecting the views of those who fund or run them (AFAIK LGBT stuff in some American schools, gender critical views in some British public libraries). Mein Kampf used to be effectively banned in Germany and has been actually banned in a few places.
- stop50 2y agoTgey used copyright to prevent that simeone makes new copies. Old copies were not affected.
- kmlx 2y ago> RT is banned (broadcasts and streams not allowed, and website blocked) in the UK. no VPN, rt.com works just fine in the UK, no issues. i think they banned the live TV in the EU and UK. and i think they also banned the website in the EU, but apparently it’s not enforced? https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-rt-sputnik-eu-access-bans-propaganda-ukraine-war/32803929.html https://www.rferl.org/amp/russia-rt-sputnik-eu-access-bans-p... haven’t found anything about rt.com being banned in the UK thou.
- decremental 2y ago[dead]
- seydor 2y agoAlso dont confuse elections with democracy
- dyauspitr 2y agoWhat could possibly be “life saving”? On the scale of things, it’s a relatively moderate Islamic country so the best you’re going to get is if you’re gay and keep it quiet, no one is really going to bother you.
- aussieguy1234 2y agoPreP is near 100% effective at preventing HIV. For sure I could see access to information about PreP or other HIV prevention methods being blocked by an overzealous government.
- dyauspitr 2y agoPreP is not exclusive to LGBT communities (though they are at significantly higher risk than the general population). It’s free at (some) government clinics in Malaysia.
- ETH_start 2y ago[flagged]
- ETH_start 2y agoIronic that my comment was censored on a thread complaining about censorship.
- HeatrayEnjoyer 2y agoNo one has censored you... are you talking about your comment being flagged? That's from user votes, not HN directly.
- jtbayly 2y ago“The algorithm decided it. That’s not censorship.” “The majority decided it. That’s not censorship.” “The law decided it. That’s not censorship.” “The users decided it. That’s not censorship.” “You were just scared your neighbors would kill you, so you didn’t say anything. That’s not censorship.” I’m having trouble drawing lines.
- wordofx 2y ago[flagged]
- ekianjo 2y agodemocracy as a word means nothing at all. there are democracies in Europe where its fine to jail people for what they write online.
- chgs 2y agoSame in the US too.
- ruthmarx 2y agoThat's simply not true.
- ekianjo 2y agonot true yet.
- chgs 2y agohttps://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/373 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/373
- ruthmarx 2y agoWhat point are you making with this link?
- gray_-_wolf 2y agoWell did they not tried to jail Trump for what he wrote online in January after loosing the election?
- diggan 2y agoI don't know exactly what you're referring to, I don't know the details of the events. But is there a possibility there is a distinction between "I can freely share my political opinions about things" versus "I can ask/cheer on people to commit crimes without consequence"?
- tampontim 2y ago[flagged]
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- kelnos 2y ago> This is still for sure going to be copied by authoritarian regimes worldwide. I think that ship has sailed. Malaysia certainly isn't the first to pull this.
- andai 2y agoSurprised VPNs are legal in Malaysia. Usually censorship and blocking VPNs goes together.