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Why do statements like this “ Built with modern technologies” always rub me the wrong way… is it because tomorrow it won’t be modern?

by taf2 2y ago

sinkasapa 2y ago
Toasters have been around for a long time. So has Javascript. I suppose that I can buy a modern toaster or an antique toaster. Still, they both seem unremarkably like toasters to me. Likewise, I can run an old Javascript program or a new one. It feels like being modern isn't really all that special. I wonder if no matter how old the tradition of writing software becomes, we'll always want to associate it with modernness. Will certain software writing ever become artisanal?
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- genewitch 2y ago
  I hear there's a programming language called kobold that i would consider artisanal;) https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/kobold https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/kobold realistically though, i've heard "bespoke, artisanal software" before, so, probably.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
It rubs me the wrong way because it means staying on a smaller treadmill. Linux supports my 9-year-old PC just fine. But once you move outside "last two stable versions of Chrome or Firefox" some websites quit working. Since I only have 16GB of RAM, some hungry apps can't run at the same time. We've all heard it before, I don't need to say it again. "Modern" means "Pay more to run faster on a shorter treadmill, or we'll shame you"
benreesman 2y ago
“Built with modern technology” is either a very good sign or a very bad one. If it means “we’ve been doing this a long time, we’re up to date, and we had no compatibility burden”, that’s probably coming out really nice. If it means “tryhard at buzzword bingo”, you know how that’s going. Claude is fucking retarded and it can do that.
hexo 2y ago
Yea, and then you look at sources and see javascript. Thanks, I'll skip
- khomenkoigor 2y ago
  What's wrong with javascript?
bityard 2y ago
Don't forget "Blazingly Fast!" on every other startup marketing page. (It's so cliche at this point it hurts to read.)
- sitkack 2y ago
  For Humans!
- chubot 2y ago
  They usually use the word "performant", not "fast", which makes it worse IMO ...
  - immibis 2y ago
    And by it they usually mean "only half as slow as the competition" - IRC is 1000x less slow but nobody got VC capital for that
    - stonogo 2y ago
      They sure did! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove.io https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove.io
- serial_dev 2y ago
  Blazingly fast is open source library lingo, startups are more pretentious.
latexr 2y ago
It’s probably because you understand that “modern technologies” often means “buzzword-laden blobs of unproven hype”. They’re the words typically chosen by software developers driven by trends who think new is always better and can’t concentrate on any project for long enough to see them through. The type of developer who pursues every shiny thing and sells their souls to VCs. Meanwhile, serious developers with a proven track record who ship and care about stability and longevity understand that boring technology is best. https://boringtechnology.club https://boringtechnology.club

Why do statements like this “ Built with modern technologies” always rub me the wrong way… is it because tomorrow it won’t be modern?

by taf2 2y ago

Why do statements like this “ Built with modern technologies” always rub me the wrong way… is it because tomorrow it won’t be modern?

sinkasapa 2y ago

Toasters have been around for a long time. So has Javascript. I suppose that I can buy a modern toaster or an antique toaster. Still, they both seem unremarkably like toasters to me. Likewise, I can run an old Javascript program or a new one. It feels like being modern isn't really all that special. I wonder if no matter how old the tradition of writing software becomes, we'll always want to associate it with modernness. Will certain software writing ever become artisanal?

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genewitch 2y ago
I hear there's a programming language called kobold that i would consider artisanal;) https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/kobold https://nextcloud.projectftm.com/index.php/s/kobold realistically though, i've heard "bespoke, artisanal software" before, so, probably.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago

It rubs me the wrong way because it means staying on a smaller treadmill. Linux supports my 9-year-old PC just fine. But once you move outside "last two stable versions of Chrome or Firefox" some websites quit working. Since I only have 16GB of RAM, some hungry apps can't run at the same time. We've all heard it before, I don't need to say it again. "Modern" means "Pay more to run faster on a shorter treadmill, or we'll shame you"

benreesman 2y ago

“Built with modern technology” is either a very good sign or a very bad one. If it means “we’ve been doing this a long time, we’re up to date, and we had no compatibility burden”, that’s probably coming out really nice. If it means “tryhard at buzzword bingo”, you know how that’s going. Claude is fucking retarded and it can do that.

hexo 2y ago

Yea, and then you look at sources and see javascript. Thanks, I'll skip

khomenkoigor 2y ago
What's wrong with javascript?

bityard 2y ago

Don't forget "Blazingly Fast!" on every other startup marketing page. (It's so cliche at this point it hurts to read.)

sitkack 2y ago
For Humans!
chubot 2y ago
They usually use the word "performant", not "fast", which makes it worse IMO ...
- immibis 2y ago
  And by it they usually mean "only half as slow as the competition" - IRC is 1000x less slow but nobody got VC capital for that
  - stonogo 2y ago
    They sure did! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove.io https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grove.io
serial_dev 2y ago
Blazingly fast is open source library lingo, startups are more pretentious.

latexr 2y ago

It’s probably because you understand that “modern technologies” often means “buzzword-laden blobs of unproven hype”. They’re the words typically chosen by software developers driven by trends who think new is always better and can’t concentrate on any project for long enough to see them through. The type of developer who pursues every shiny thing and sells their souls to VCs. Meanwhile, serious developers with a proven track record who ship and care about stability and longevity understand that boring technology is best. https://boringtechnology.club https://boringtechnology.club