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I think you underestimate what can be accomplished with human level agi. Human level agi could mean 1 million Von Neumann level intelligences cranking 24/7 on h

I think you underestimate what can be accomplished with human level agi. Human level agi could mean 1 million Von Neumann level intelligences cranking 24/7 on humanity's problems.

lawrenceyan 2y ago
Yeah, I think you're probably right after further consideration and trying some new models today.
mentos 2y ago
Or cranking on super intelligence. What’s the minimum coefficient of human intelligence necessary to boot strap to infinity?
- scarmig 2y ago
  Infinity intelligence is a very vague and probably ill-defined concept; to go to an impossible extreme, if you're capable of modeling and predicting everything in the universe perfectly at zero cost, what would it even mean to be more intelligent? That is a hard limit on intelligence, but neural networks can't even reach that. What is the actual limit? No one knows. Maybe it's something relatively close to that, modulo physical constraints. Maybe it's right above the maximum human intelligence (and evolution managed to converge to a near optimal architecture). No one knows.
  - astrange 2y ago
    > if you're capable of modeling and predicting everything in the universe perfectly at zero cost As far as we know, it's impossible to model any part of the universe perfectly, although it usually doesn't matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem
TaylorAlexander 2y ago
Only if there are no hardware limits, which seems highly unlikely.
- unyttigfjelltol 2y ago
  Right, the comments are assuming an entrepreneur could conjure an army of brains out of nothing. In reality, the question is whether those brains are so much cheaper they open avenues currently unavailable. Would it be cheaper to hire an AGI or a human intern?
vkou 2y ago
The biggest problem that humanity has from the perspective of the people with the capital necessary to deploy this is 'How to consolidate more wealth and power into their hands.' One million Von Neumanns working on that 'problem' is not something I'm looking forward to.

I think you underestimate what can be accomplished with human level agi. Human level agi could mean 1 million Von Neumann level intelligences cranking 24/7 on humanity's problems.

lawrenceyan 2y ago

Yeah, I think you're probably right after further consideration and trying some new models today.

mentos 2y ago

Or cranking on super intelligence. What’s the minimum coefficient of human intelligence necessary to boot strap to infinity?

scarmig 2y ago
Infinity intelligence is a very vague and probably ill-defined concept; to go to an impossible extreme, if you're capable of modeling and predicting everything in the universe perfectly at zero cost, what would it even mean to be more intelligent? That is a hard limit on intelligence, but neural networks can't even reach that. What is the actual limit? No one knows. Maybe it's something relatively close to that, modulo physical constraints. Maybe it's right above the maximum human intelligence (and evolution managed to converge to a near optimal architecture). No one knows.
- astrange 2y ago
  > if you're capable of modeling and predicting everything in the universe perfectly at zero cost As far as we know, it's impossible to model any part of the universe perfectly, although it usually doesn't matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No-cloning_theorem

TaylorAlexander 2y ago

Only if there are no hardware limits, which seems highly unlikely.

unyttigfjelltol 2y ago
Right, the comments are assuming an entrepreneur could conjure an army of brains out of nothing. In reality, the question is whether those brains are so much cheaper they open avenues currently unavailable. Would it be cheaper to hire an AGI or a human intern?

vkou 2y ago

The biggest problem that humanity has from the perspective of the people with the capital necessary to deploy this is 'How to consolidate more wealth and power into their hands.' One million Von Neumanns working on that 'problem' is not something I'm looking forward to.