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I think it's important to keep in mind that the judicial system in Brazil is very political, much more so than in the US or Europe. The current Brazilian presid

I think it's important to keep in mind that the judicial system in Brazil is very political, much more so than in the US or Europe. The current Brazilian president was found to be leading a large ring of money laundering and embezzlement, stealing millions from the state oil company. Moraes was appointed by his allies and got him off the hook in very corrupt fashion. They even have threatened media companies for reporting on the scandal, as well as opposing politicians they see as a threat. Anyone interested in reading about the past of these guys currently running this censorship operation can see this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/01/brazil-operation-car-wash-is-this-the-biggest-corruption-scandal-in-history https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/01/brazil-operati...

simtel20 2y ago
My recollection is that the accusations of Lula being implicated in the Lava Jato wasn't substantiated, but the accusation was used politically to send him to jail and thus prevent him from running for office against Bolsonaro. In the end all of the major charges against Lula were annulled [1], and the charge that got him sent to jail (bribery based on property being given to him, where no record of any sale or transfer of ownership was ever produced) was a political character assassination job and frame placed on him by a different judge in coordination with political opposition working to prevent him from running in the 2018 election[2]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56326389 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56326389 [2] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/04/brazil-criminal-proceedings-against-former-president-lula-da-silva-violated https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/04/brazil-crimi...
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  > the accusations of Lula being implicated in the Lava Jato wasn't substantiated They were, with an overwhelming amount of evidence of several different wrongdoings. Just to point, he was tried for 2 different crimes, by 4 different judges each, and found guilty every time. > In the end all of the major charges against Lula were annulled By those same political judges the GP is talking about. Based on the trial not following a law that was created 2 years later, with the explicit intent of making trial of politicians harder. > and the charge that got him sent to jail was a political character assassination job And that's, to be blunt, absolute bullshit. The charges were never formally decided after the trial was annulled, they are still open, sealed back into secrecy, and pending judgement.
  - simtel20 2y ago
    I'm not familiar with some of these accusations. Is there any reputable reporting on them?
    - raul-pilla 2y ago
      >I'm not familiar with some of these accusations Then you're just guess posting for your ingroup.
      - simtel20 2y ago
        I don't think so? I'm asking for sources that I can read from people who are making claims to, to support their assertions. I've posted material that is more recent than the first post I replied to, and I haven't seen anything more recent from you or the couple of other folks who seem to have formed the opinion that what I've related is either false or incomplete. So please help a brother out here.
    - marcosdumay 2y ago
      Anything about the trials will have them.
      - simtel20 2y ago
        But I haven't found them when searching. would you do me the courtesy of providing links to the material you are referencing?

simtel20 2y ago

My recollection is that the accusations of Lula being implicated in the Lava Jato wasn't substantiated, but the accusation was used politically to send him to jail and thus prevent him from running for office against Bolsonaro. In the end all of the major charges against Lula were annulled [1], and the charge that got him sent to jail (bribery based on property being given to him, where no record of any sale or transfer of ownership was ever produced) was a political character assassination job and frame placed on him by a different judge in coordination with political opposition working to prevent him from running in the 2018 election[2]. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56326389 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56326389 [2] https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/04/brazil-criminal-proceedings-against-former-president-lula-da-silva-violated https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/04/brazil-crimi...

marcosdumay 2y ago
> the accusations of Lula being implicated in the Lava Jato wasn't substantiated They were, with an overwhelming amount of evidence of several different wrongdoings. Just to point, he was tried for 2 different crimes, by 4 different judges each, and found guilty every time. > In the end all of the major charges against Lula were annulled By those same political judges the GP is talking about. Based on the trial not following a law that was created 2 years later, with the explicit intent of making trial of politicians harder. > and the charge that got him sent to jail was a political character assassination job And that's, to be blunt, absolute bullshit. The charges were never formally decided after the trial was annulled, they are still open, sealed back into secrecy, and pending judgement.
- simtel20 2y ago
  I'm not familiar with some of these accusations. Is there any reputable reporting on them?
  - raul-pilla 2y ago
    >I'm not familiar with some of these accusations Then you're just guess posting for your ingroup.
    - simtel20 2y ago
      I don't think so? I'm asking for sources that I can read from people who are making claims to, to support their assertions. I've posted material that is more recent than the first post I replied to, and I haven't seen anything more recent from you or the couple of other folks who seem to have formed the opinion that what I've related is either false or incomplete. So please help a brother out here.
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    Anything about the trials will have them.
    - simtel20 2y ago
      But I haven't found them when searching. would you do me the courtesy of providing links to the material you are referencing?