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How do you get to authoritarian, when it’s the Brazilian authorities demanding that people be silenced? Perhaps you’re referring to some unrelated situation whe

How do you get to authoritarian, when it’s the Brazilian authorities demanding that people be silenced? Perhaps you’re referring to some unrelated situation where X has been censoring people?

kranke155 2y ago
"people be silenced" it's like 7 accounts.
- goodluckchuck 2y ago
  That may make the Brazilian government less authoritarian, but that doesn’t make anyone else more authoritarian. If anything, the fact that Musk is opposing even a very small act of authoritarianism would suggest that he is very strongly against authoritarianism.
  - kranke155 2y ago
    Why does he allow this to happen in Turkey however? Could it be because Steve Bannon is a personal friend of the Bolsonaro family?
    - Pedro_Ribeiro 2y ago
      In Turkey this wouldn't fly for even a second. He thinks he can make an example out of Brazil (and it's clearly striking a nerve even if it ends up not working out.)
- amlib 2y ago
  Also, those accounts were used by people who were investigated by the equivalent of the FBI, the Policia Federal (PF). The initial request to block those accounts AFAIK came from them, and the fact that this case ended up in the hands of the Supreme Court is because Elon decided to play chicken, escalating the situation in every possible way for seemingly no good reason.
jambajuice420 2y ago
As another commenter noted, the illegal content (under Brazilian law) on Twitter is one thing, but additionally Twitter has not responded to any legal action and does not have a representative in the country, which Brazilian law requires of them (https://apnews.com/article/brazil-x-elon-musk-shutdown-moraes-supreme-court-twitter-70fdaeef282e1ac7d649b99cf8241b42 https://apnews.com/article/brazil-x-elon-musk-shutdown-morae...). Musk can whine all he wants, but boring procdural rules still apply to him. Additionally, Musk complies prolifically with censorship requests when they come from racist fascists like Narendra Modi. The source for that is literally Twitter itself in its report on removal requests (the link is in this article): https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders/ https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... . What's the difference? Well, Musk likes Modi and his vicious crackdown on Muslims, and he doesn't like Lula's government because he's a popular leftist. Like, you don't have to agree with either side to see that the only principle at play here is Musk's personal political grievances.

How do you get to authoritarian, when it’s the Brazilian authorities demanding that people be silenced? Perhaps you’re referring to some unrelated situation where X has been censoring people?

kranke155 2y ago

"people be silenced" it's like 7 accounts.

goodluckchuck 2y ago
That may make the Brazilian government less authoritarian, but that doesn’t make anyone else more authoritarian. If anything, the fact that Musk is opposing even a very small act of authoritarianism would suggest that he is very strongly against authoritarianism.
- kranke155 2y ago
  Why does he allow this to happen in Turkey however? Could it be because Steve Bannon is a personal friend of the Bolsonaro family?
  - Pedro_Ribeiro 2y ago
    In Turkey this wouldn't fly for even a second. He thinks he can make an example out of Brazil (and it's clearly striking a nerve even if it ends up not working out.)
amlib 2y ago
Also, those accounts were used by people who were investigated by the equivalent of the FBI, the Policia Federal (PF). The initial request to block those accounts AFAIK came from them, and the fact that this case ended up in the hands of the Supreme Court is because Elon decided to play chicken, escalating the situation in every possible way for seemingly no good reason.

jambajuice420 2y ago

As another commenter noted, the illegal content (under Brazilian law) on Twitter is one thing, but additionally Twitter has not responded to any legal action and does not have a representative in the country, which Brazilian law requires of them (https://apnews.com/article/brazil-x-elon-musk-shutdown-moraes-supreme-court-twitter-70fdaeef282e1ac7d649b99cf8241b42 https://apnews.com/article/brazil-x-elon-musk-shutdown-morae...). Musk can whine all he wants, but boring procdural rules still apply to him. Additionally, Musk complies prolifically with censorship requests when they come from racist fascists like Narendra Modi. The source for that is literally Twitter itself in its report on removal requests (the link is in this article): https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-orders/ https://restofworld.org/2023/elon-musk-twitter-government-or... . What's the difference? Well, Musk likes Modi and his vicious crackdown on Muslims, and he doesn't like Lula's government because he's a popular leftist. Like, you don't have to agree with either side to see that the only principle at play here is Musk's personal political grievances.