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How immigration remade the U.S. labor force
- carom 2y agohttps://archive.is/GXrr4 https://archive.is/GXrr4
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- carom 2y ago>Recent immigrants tend to earn less than U.S.-born workers because of their lower level of education, lack of English, and in some cases because they are working without permission. They might also compete with existing workers with less education and put downward pressure on their wages, too. This is my biggest problem with immigration. It is a handout to corporations. If we think about the poorest Americans, this is doing them a massive disservice. Not that there is any shortage of jobs in tech, but you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa. For the most part, America serves corporations through legislation and policy though. I dream of a country where the politicians serve the people and not companies, but I also have to wonder if the U.S. would be the economic power house that it is if things were different.
- pavlov 2y ago> "you also have to wonder where the salaries would be at in tech, and how many more citizens would be training for these roles if it weren't for H-1B visa" On the flip side, you have to wonder where the American tech industry would be without immigrants. Nvidia was founded by the son of Taiwanese parents who sent their children to live with an uncle in the US. That's one of the many immigration paths that the MAGAs want to close. Was the creation of Nvidia a "handout to corporations"? Intel sure would be happy if Jensen Huang had never made it to America.
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- carom 2y agoI don't disagree, getting smart and ambitious people to move to your country is a really good policy overall. It is just worth weighing it against the opportunity cost for the citizens of the country.
- the_real_cher 2y agodoesn't it beg the question though... if they're so good for America why aren't they good for their own country?
- echelon 2y agoThe value and commensurate compensation of talent depends on location. Proximity to colleagues, decision makers, and capital.
- the_real_cher 2y agoSomebody has to sacrifice to be the first to start something like that in their own country. In America we built companies art and music out of our garages just for the love of it... not because "that's where the compensation was."
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- hiddencost 2y agoThe research is pretty overwhelming. Immigrants contribute much more than they take, and the increase in prosperity benefits everyone. You should actually sit down and study the topic, because your belief system is terrifying in its ignorance.
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- atlas_hugged 2y agoFrench people using the slang used by American racists? That’s a new one. “State mandated dose of neutral..” what? You clearly didn’t go the same brain washing public school systems I went to in America (California of all places) where they told us a gigantic pile of lies about basically everything that happened in our history that I’m still trying to unlearn 20+ years later.
- BoingBoomTschak 2y agoHow do you know for sure you're not just replacing these lies with others (perhaps more credible, better engineered and camouflaged)?
- aucisson_masque 2y ago> Immigration has lifted U.S. population growth to almost 1.2% a year, the highest since the early 1990s. Without it, the U.S. population would be growing 0.2% a year Population growth is always announced as a great thing but is this really the case ? For instance, house price are increasing because more and more people wants it, it also prevent salary from increasing because there are always people without job looking take the poorest offer. It's great for the country economy and the government but it's never good for it's population.
- Two4 2y agoYour argument is in the wrong direction: enforcing a liveable federal minimum wage ensures that there's a reasonable bottom to how low you can bid on labour. The housing crisis, on the other hand, is a net supply restriction effect caused by real estate speculation and investment, rather than it being a commodity (it never will be a commodity, but I'd wager there's a real estate bubble pop coming soon)
- eddd-ddde 2y agoAt the end of the day the Earth's resources are very much finite. We simply can't have indefinite growth, so it doesn't make sense to use it as a metric.
- pacerier 2y ago> finite Sure, everything is finite, but 8 billion is too little. Earth can fit 8 trillion and more, all we need is more science.
- eddd-ddde 2y agoMaybe, but what's the point ? If science improves shouldn't we aim for less population? Less people can keep up with more production. Less people means less impact on the environment. Less people means more nature. At least personally I rather have less people on the planet at any given moment.
- sentinalien 2y agoHow do all these people immigrate to the US? Is it all family-based? I work in technological field with many more opportunities in the US and have researched how to move there but it seems almost impossible. I know an American who applied for jobs in my country, got an offer and was over within a few months but that doesn't work the other way round.
- relaxing 2y agoYou fly over and overstay your visa (indefinitely.) Neglecting any discussion of the legal ramifications, that is largely how it happens.
- thyrsus 2y agoAnd then you have no legal standing, so you get paid far below market depressing everyone's wages, and in any dispute you get deported. The best thing for workers would be for there to be no such thing as an "illegal alien" - but xenophobia/racism wins instead.
- karp773 2y agoYes, it's mostly family-based. If you look at the distribution of the categories of the issued green cards, ~2/3 are through family. Employment based green cards are less than 15%.
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