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>How can one explain that? She didn't actually do it, or at least she didn't do it to the degree that you think she did. Instead, you had an intense enough exp

>How can one explain that? She didn't actually do it, or at least she didn't do it to the degree that you think she did. Instead, you had an intense enough experience that your memories of the tone, cadence, and choice of words of your voice, were altered after the fact. (Human) memory is extremely unreliable.

kranke155 2y ago
It’s not memory, it happened at the time, within around 30 seconds, between me hearing the voice and her imitating it. Good way to disqualify the opinion or experience of anyone.
- truculent 2y ago
  Parent poster is being unnecessarily smug and dismissive, but the point is that however close in time the events were, they are now entrenched in fallible memory.
  - deciplex 2y ago
    > Parent poster is being unnecessarily smug and dismissive Can you elaborate? I tried to keep a neutral tone.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  > It’s not memory, it happened at the time, within around 30 seconds, between me hearing the voice and her imitating it. People can mix up exact details and whether two things feel the same in that amount of time, especially if they recently took drugs. > Good way to disqualify the opinion or experience of anyone. Look, you specifically asked for a skeptical explanation. You're right that it's not a disproof, but it does mean your experience isn't particularly convincing as an anecdote.
  - kranke155 2y ago
    I hadn't taken drugs for a month when I met the shaman song lady. I don't take drugs in general due to my bipolar.
- deciplex 2y ago
  I mean people have deja vu which is literally your brain misinterpreting a currently-happening experience as a memory. Medical literature is filled with tons of quirks of human perception and memory, and we frequently find new ones and new twists on existing ones. It is not remotely a stretch to attribute "I recognized this woman's voice as someone else's voice" as just a run-of-the-mill fault of perception and memory. Especially when the alternative at hand is apparently something supernatural (or, at least, new physics).
  - kranke155 2y ago
    I think electricity would have appeared supernatural to someone 2000 years ago, yet it was there and all around us. Just because our current understanding hasn’t got all the answers doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, that’s the way I see it. I think some things that we think of as supernatural now will have an “explanation” later. How much later I don’t know.
    - deciplex 2y ago
      Our current understanding has most of the answers you seek, and compelling reasoning for why they are the correct answers.

kranke155 2y ago

It’s not memory, it happened at the time, within around 30 seconds, between me hearing the voice and her imitating it. Good way to disqualify the opinion or experience of anyone.

truculent 2y ago
Parent poster is being unnecessarily smug and dismissive, but the point is that however close in time the events were, they are now entrenched in fallible memory.
- deciplex 2y ago
  > Parent poster is being unnecessarily smug and dismissive Can you elaborate? I tried to keep a neutral tone.
Dylan16807 2y ago
> It’s not memory, it happened at the time, within around 30 seconds, between me hearing the voice and her imitating it. People can mix up exact details and whether two things feel the same in that amount of time, especially if they recently took drugs. > Good way to disqualify the opinion or experience of anyone. Look, you specifically asked for a skeptical explanation. You're right that it's not a disproof, but it does mean your experience isn't particularly convincing as an anecdote.
- kranke155 2y ago
  I hadn't taken drugs for a month when I met the shaman song lady. I don't take drugs in general due to my bipolar.
deciplex 2y ago
I mean people have deja vu which is literally your brain misinterpreting a currently-happening experience as a memory. Medical literature is filled with tons of quirks of human perception and memory, and we frequently find new ones and new twists on existing ones. It is not remotely a stretch to attribute "I recognized this woman's voice as someone else's voice" as just a run-of-the-mill fault of perception and memory. Especially when the alternative at hand is apparently something supernatural (or, at least, new physics).
- kranke155 2y ago
  I think electricity would have appeared supernatural to someone 2000 years ago, yet it was there and all around us. Just because our current understanding hasn’t got all the answers doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, that’s the way I see it. I think some things that we think of as supernatural now will have an “explanation” later. How much later I don’t know.
  - deciplex 2y ago
    Our current understanding has most of the answers you seek, and compelling reasoning for why they are the correct answers.