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If the model weights are distributed, or its a free forever product... Fair use seems like a solid claim for LLMs in my semi-informed opinion. It seems like it

by lumost 2y ago

If the model weights are distributed, or its a free forever product... Fair use seems like a solid claim for LLMs in my semi-informed opinion. It seems like it will be a tall leap to create a trillion dollar corporation as fair use. It would be unsurprising to me if OpenAI directly purchased copyright holding firms for the purpose of acquiring access rights to their material.

kranke155 2y ago
They’re doing licensing deals left and right.
- lumost 2y ago
  Licensing means recurring payment, why not buy elsevier outright?
AlienRobot 2y ago
I don't think fair use applies at all. First, it may not even be a thing in some countries. Second, I can't upload the bee movie on Youtube for free and claim fair use. One key consideration in fair use is whether your use of the copyright work competes with the author. It's why you can take a screenshot of a GUI (which is copyrightable) without worries since nobody is going to be like "I don't need to purchase Affinity Photo because I found a screenshot on the Internet for free." In the case of AI, several whole classes of artists are vehemently and justifiably complaining that it will take their jobs. It would be like saying photobashing is fair use, or collages are fair use.
- ronsor 2y ago
  > First, it may not even be a thing in some countries. It doesn't matter as long as it's a thing in the country where the training occurs.
  - AlienRobot 2y ago
    That doesn't sound right to me? If I use an AI trained in a way that is illegal in my country, the fact it was trained elsewhere shouldn't mean anything. If it meant, that is just an easy way to skirt the law.
    - aziaziazi 2y ago
      Exactly. Imagine a law become hostile to openAI and they decide to relocate to offshore legal paradise, still selling they services in the rest of the world because "they respect the law in their country". We ban, embargos and tax countries for political reasons. Human right violation , copyright disregard or tax evasion ? Free business should be tall free !

by lumost 2y ago

kranke155 2y ago

They’re doing licensing deals left and right.

lumost 2y ago
Licensing means recurring payment, why not buy elsevier outright?

AlienRobot 2y ago

I don't think fair use applies at all. First, it may not even be a thing in some countries. Second, I can't upload the bee movie on Youtube for free and claim fair use. One key consideration in fair use is whether your use of the copyright work competes with the author. It's why you can take a screenshot of a GUI (which is copyrightable) without worries since nobody is going to be like "I don't need to purchase Affinity Photo because I found a screenshot on the Internet for free." In the case of AI, several whole classes of artists are vehemently and justifiably complaining that it will take their jobs. It would be like saying photobashing is fair use, or collages are fair use.

ronsor 2y ago
> First, it may not even be a thing in some countries. It doesn't matter as long as it's a thing in the country where the training occurs.
- AlienRobot 2y ago
  That doesn't sound right to me? If I use an AI trained in a way that is illegal in my country, the fact it was trained elsewhere shouldn't mean anything. If it meant, that is just an easy way to skirt the law.
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    Exactly. Imagine a law become hostile to openAI and they decide to relocate to offshore legal paradise, still selling they services in the rest of the world because "they respect the law in their country". We ban, embargos and tax countries for political reasons. Human right violation , copyright disregard or tax evasion ? Free business should be tall free !