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I advocate for greppability as well – and in Swedish it becomes extra fun – as the equivalent phrase in Swedish becomes "grep-bar" or "grep-barhet" and those ar
by VoxPelli 2y ago
I advocate for greppability as well – and in Swedish it becomes extra fun – as the equivalent phrase in Swedish becomes "grep-bar" or "grep-barhet" and those are actual words in Swedish – "greppbar" roughly means "understandable", "greppbarhet" roughly means "the possibility to understand"
- mettamage 2y agogreppbarhet Grijpbaarheid I never saw grep as grijp I guess I do now (Dutch btw)
- elygre 2y agoCould I suggest that greppbarhet is more precisely translated as “the ability of being understood”? (Norwegian here. Our languages are similar, but we miss this one.)
- psychoslave 2y agoSo, at the extrem opposite of the esoteric "general regular expression print" that grep stands for with few ever knowing it?
- johncoltrane 2y agos/general/global
- medstrom 2y agoNorwegian still translates grep as "grip"/"grab". I always thought of grepping as reaching in with a hand into the text and grabbing lines. That association is close at hand (insert lame chuckle) for German and English speakers too.
- pbhjpbhj 2y agoIn English that association is going to depend a lot on one's accent; until now I've never associated grep-ing with anything other than using grep! (But, equally, that might just be a me thing.)
- sshine 2y agoHow many other UNIX commands did the Swedes adopt into their language? I know that they invented "curl". Do you tar xfz?
- lukan 2y agoAs far as I understood, it was part of the language before. The german equivalent of the word would be probably "greifbar". Being able to hold something, usually used metaphorically.
- kagevf 2y ago> able to hold Would "grasp" work?
- octocop 2y agoIt's closer to grip
- n_plus_1_acc 2y agoI've always related grep to grab
- trashtester 2y ago"zu greifen" may best translate to "to grip", but "grip" has different mental connotations in English (it refers to mental stability, not intellectual insight). The best dual purpose translation of "zu greifen"/"gripe" (German/Scandinavian) meaning "zu begreifen"/"begripe"/"understand" would be "to grasp", which covers both physically grabbing into something and also to understand it intellectually. All these words stem back to the Proto-Indo-European gʰrebʰ, which more or less completes the circle back to "grep".
- lordgrenville 2y agorelated to "grok"?
- vanschelven 2y agoBegreppelijk (begrijpelijk) in Dutch
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- Cthulhu_ 2y agoor "Grijpbaar" (grabbable)
- medstrom 2y agoSo Dutch/German make "begreif" a verb, for Swedish it is just a noun (that means "concept"). But "begrijpelijk" has a clone: "begriplig". An adverb based on a verb in a foreign dictionary. There is no verb that goes "begreppa", it's just "greppa".
- trashtester 2y ago"Jag kan inte begripa svenska."
- medstrom 2y agoOh, you're right.
- jeroenhd 2y agoDutch also has a noun ("begrip") meaning "notion" or "understanding".
- fedder 2y agoThe term concept itself suggests grasping or holding/taking hold of, see the latin verb concipio or adjective conceptus.
- octocop 2y agoAnd we also have "begrepp", which is also a spin on content and understanding it's content.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoWhich is ironic, given that the article is about making it easier to use grep in order to avoid having to understand anything.
- bob88jg 2y agoNah, you've got it backwards. The article isn't about dodging understanding - it's about making it way easier to spot patterns in your code. And that's exactly how you start to really get what's going on under the hood. Better searching = faster learning. It's like having a good map when you're exploring a new city
- TeMPOraL 2y agoThe article advocates making code harder to understand for the sake of better search. It's like forcing a city to conform to a nice, clean, readable map: it'll make exploring easier for you, at the cost of making the city stop working.
- bob88jg 2y agoWhich of his suggestions would "make the city stop working"?
- layer8 2y agoGraspability. ;) More customarily: intelligibility.