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I got hue 174 as my threshold and really I just wanted to say "neither, this is turquoise/teal" for most of the questions. But blue/green was the only option.
by egypturnash 2y ago
I got hue 174 as my threshold and really I just wanted to say "neither, this is turquoise/teal" for most of the questions. But blue/green was the only option.
- soulofmischief 2y agoI got hue 175. It's interesting to note that some older cultures, Japan for example, didn't always have separate words for blue and green, both were the same color ("ao" in Japanese). You can see the effects of this even today with things like traffic lights in Japan, which are considered "green" by their standards but blue by many others' standards. There are also other cultures, such as Russia, where light blue / dark blue (simplification) are effectively considered separate colors. All this to say, personally, I think we will continue to evolve to recognize more distinct "colors" such as teal, which is neither blue nor green but somewhere between. A lot of this recognition power is rooted in linguistics and culture, it's not as strictly biological as one might think.
- IgorPartola 2y agoIn Russian light blue is “blue” and dark blue is “indigo” essentially. It still has seven colors in the rainbow. It’s just that in English colloquially nobody uses indigo.
- soulofmischief 2y agoYes, well that's what I mean. Culturally, Russians think and speak about colors differently, dividing them up differently than the West. > Russian does not have a single word referring to the whole range of colors denoted by the English term "blue". Instead, it traditionally treats light blue (голубой, goluboy) as a separate color independent from plain or dark blue (синий, siniy), with all seven "basic" colors of the spectrum (red–orange–yellow–green–голубой/goluboy (sky blue, light azure, but does not equal cyan)–синий/siniy ("true" deep blue, like synthetic ultramarine)–violet) while in English the light blues like azure and cyan are considered mere shades of "blue" and not different colors. > Blue: plava (indicates any blue) and modra; in the eastern speaking areas modra indicates dark blue, in some of the western areas it may indicate any blue etc. from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction_in_language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue%E2%80%93green_distinction... I am not deeply knowledgeable on Russian, I failed Russian in high school, just going off of my surface-level knowledge of linguistic relativity regarding color, and discussions with a friend from that part of the world, so I might not know what I'm talking about here.
- d1sxeyes 2y agoThat’s a bit complicated. The difference between синий and голубой is not really a difference in hue, it’s a difference in brightness. It tends to be true that hues tending towards green are perceived more brightly than hues tending towards red, which means that blues with more green in them are more likely to be голубой, but by virtue of the fact they are perceived to be brighter. But in principle, the line is drawn horizontally on the colour chart (or at least diagonally), not vertically.
- AceyMan 2y agoThanks for this comment! I dabble in fountain pens a bit, and one of my favorite inks is "ao" by Taccia. Now it all makes sense (tho, to my eye it's kind of a blurple–royal blue; I get no green or teal from it. But, now I'm tempted to go do a blotter of it and look at it extra carefully in natural light.)
- plorkyeran 2y agoSame, my answer was “neither” after the third color so I just alternated between blue and green until it stopped.
- dotancohen 2y agoTry looking away between tests. I tried twice and got 182, then 184. Which I suppose it more or less consistent.
- ljsprague 2y ago"Neither" is the coward's choice.
- hilbert42 2y agoLogically, a color, green etc., is a 'simple' notion and cannot be explained terms of anything simpler. With color we have to revert to a different description, here wavelength. But wavelength is not human perception (and we can't explain such perception in simpler terms).
- jsvlrtmred 2y agoIs a crab a mammal or a reptile?
- riffraff 2y agoFun, I got 174 and when I saw the results my reaction was "but that is not turquoise!" which I suppose means I either don't know what turquoise is, or my screen has bad calibration/gamut.
- dsego 2y agoI got 174 as well.
- naijaboiler 2y agoNobody knows what turquoise is
- dim13 2y agoFunny, 174 by me too.
- bryanrasmussen 2y agoit looks like my default is if there is 40% green in that it is green. Thus it told me that turquoise for me is green. Which if I look at Turquoise the RGB color, that is green. If I look at Turquoise the mineral about half the time it is green and half the time blue.
- Tor3 2y agoSame thinking here, though I got 184
- wodenokoto 2y agoMe too, but I liked the conclusion ("to you, turquoise is blue/green")
- loopdoend 2y agoThat must be the perfect result. I also got 174 but it said "For you, turquoise is green."
- Woshiwuja 2y ago176 for me its blue
- jimz 2y ago180 and blue and I suspect that language also plays a part (I was brought up in an environment where the word turquoise starts with green, but now live in a turquoise-producing state where the finished product look far blue-r.)
- Woshiwuja 2y agoi mean i always saw turquoise as a greenish light blue, so it kinda makes sense
- Filligree 2y agoBut it isn't. Turquoise is turquoise, and since that wasn't an option, I picked one at random.
- inquirerGeneral 2y ago[dead]
- hammock 2y agoThe point is to determine whether turquoise to you is more green, or more blue.
- jacobolus 2y agoThe color name question here doesn't have a clear answer because most of the respondents would call this "teal", "blue–green", "turqoise", "cyan", "aqua", or some similar name. You'd get somewhat similar results asking whether an orange (the fruit) is really "red" or "yellow", or whether an eggplant is really "blue" or "red". An individual person's answers on this kind of question are likely to vary from day to day, are context dependent (i.e. whether one object or another appears more "green" or "blue" depends on what kind of object it is), and colors this intense are very sensitive to changes in eye adaptation and technical details of the display and software, as well as inter-observer metamerism. So in addition to the color naming difficulties, it's not even a very good test of color naming, if you want to get reliable psychometric/linguistic data.
- RussianCow 2y agoFor a single individual, all of the above is true, but for a large enough sample size, the answers may be more generally useful because you account for all of those rounding errors.
- bmer 2y agoNo, because if my case holds more genera (and I suspect it does), the answers are in part out of sheer frustration, and therefore prone to being similar to the last one given. I am not afraid to say this is poorly designed.
- simon_o 2y agoUnlikely, I'd expect most people to not have a meltdown about this.
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- hammock 2y agoHere is a chart of HN reader results, based on two pages of comments: https://i.imgur.com/tIQfTjN.png https://i.imgur.com/tIQfTjN.png Mean is 176 Median is 175 Mode is 174