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Agreed! But also... Rather than your seeing someone stream "really effective 99th percentile AI coding", maybe it would be more illustrative for us all to see

by patcon 2y ago

Agreed! But also... Rather than your seeing someone stream "really effective 99th percentile AI coding", maybe it would be more illustrative for us all to see someone stream the "50th percentile developer unassisted" experience. I suspect that's the thing we're all missing to help us understand the potential value of AI coding: how slow and ineffectively the median software developer works, bc they just quietly slog away and don't talk much about how they work :) I humbly include myself on that thought btw

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
I also don’t understand the appeal. I never wrote boilerplate code in my life. I recently spent the whole day debugging open source third parties on multiple OSes while using Wireshark to understand how the whole thing worked. Then I typed 5 lines for a fix in less than 30 seconds. How would an LLM help me here?
- dartos 2y ago
  > I never wrote boilerplate code in my life. You either have not written very much code, don’t know what boilerplate means, or are intentionally operating under an overly broad definition
  - JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
    You’re right. I don’t write a lot of code. It’s always very specific C++ stuff that does not need to be repeated a hundred times, or if it is it can be a virtual method declaration that I copy in a subclass. No need for a LLM for that. I’ve only seen boilerplate used by web developers, but I’m not doing that.
    - dartos 2y ago
      You shouldn’t speak so confidently and condescendingly with so little experience. Graphics programming, data science, anything involving handling user input and probably many more classes of software require ceremony and boilerplate to get going. Vulkan famously takes 1000 lines of C++ boilerplate before you can draw a triangle. Look into writing a X or Wayland compositor and you’ll see a mountain of boilerplate involved in handling input loops, displays, and communicating with the kernel.
dartos 2y ago
Please don’t misquote me. I want to see how someone who’s confident in using these tools write code with them. I’m not as interested in the median developer’s coding practices.

by patcon 2y ago

JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago

I also don’t understand the appeal. I never wrote boilerplate code in my life. I recently spent the whole day debugging open source third parties on multiple OSes while using Wireshark to understand how the whole thing worked. Then I typed 5 lines for a fix in less than 30 seconds. How would an LLM help me here?

dartos 2y ago
> I never wrote boilerplate code in my life. You either have not written very much code, don’t know what boilerplate means, or are intentionally operating under an overly broad definition
- JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B 2y ago
  You’re right. I don’t write a lot of code. It’s always very specific C++ stuff that does not need to be repeated a hundred times, or if it is it can be a virtual method declaration that I copy in a subclass. No need for a LLM for that. I’ve only seen boilerplate used by web developers, but I’m not doing that.
  - dartos 2y ago
    You shouldn’t speak so confidently and condescendingly with so little experience. Graphics programming, data science, anything involving handling user input and probably many more classes of software require ceremony and boilerplate to get going. Vulkan famously takes 1000 lines of C++ boilerplate before you can draw a triangle. Look into writing a X or Wayland compositor and you’ll see a mountain of boilerplate involved in handling input loops, displays, and communicating with the kernel.

dartos 2y ago

Please don’t misquote me. I want to see how someone who’s confident in using these tools write code with them. I’m not as interested in the median developer’s coding practices.