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Airpods of all the variations for one example, and those are ubiquitous. AppleTV+ subscription based series, many of which have been extraordinarily well recei

Airpods of all the variations for one example, and those are ubiquitous. AppleTV+ subscription based series, many of which have been extraordinarily well received, for another example.

MBCook 2y ago
Wasn’t the watch the first big post-Jobs product?
makeitdouble 2y ago
Airpods' major appeal is the iPhone integration. To paraphrase Jobs, it's not a product it's a feature (or an accessory here), and the core of it is still the iPhone. For comparison the original (wired) earplugs were popular, but not at the level of being a massive business. Apple had to kill the 3.5 jack ("courage") and turn the proprietary integration knob to 11 to have the airpods fly off the shelves. Is AppleTV+ turning profits ?
- philistine 2y ago
  I mean, AirPods is an accessory to the most successful computing platform in the world. It's a Fortune 500 company all on its own. Do not discount AirPods. People stick to iPhone because they love their AirPods. I sure do.
  - makeitdouble 2y ago
    > People stick to iPhone because they love their AirPods. Wow, I had the reverse course where I jumped off the iPhone train mainly because airPods were doing nothing for me compared to the competition (mainly Shokz), and I also wanted the 3.5 jack (and NFC as a bonus). I still get that people can enjoy their airPod as a good product, but don't see it as massively better than Bose or Sony's product for instance if set in a vacuum, which makes the difference in market size extremely artificial to my eyes.
- plorkyeran 2y ago
  A feature for your existing product that you can charge an extra $100-200 for and have it sell incredibly well might even be better than a distinct product.
  - makeitdouble 2y ago
    Totally agree. I see the iCloud space upgrade the same way: it's the only standalone way to get a full phone backup, and it's surely a juicy business everybody would want for themselves.

Airpods of all the variations for one example, and those are ubiquitous. AppleTV+ subscription based series, many of which have been extraordinarily well received, for another example.

MBCook 2y ago

Wasn’t the watch the first big post-Jobs product?

makeitdouble 2y ago

Airpods' major appeal is the iPhone integration. To paraphrase Jobs, it's not a product it's a feature (or an accessory here), and the core of it is still the iPhone. For comparison the original (wired) earplugs were popular, but not at the level of being a massive business. Apple had to kill the 3.5 jack ("courage") and turn the proprietary integration knob to 11 to have the airpods fly off the shelves. Is AppleTV+ turning profits ?

philistine 2y ago
I mean, AirPods is an accessory to the most successful computing platform in the world. It's a Fortune 500 company all on its own. Do not discount AirPods. People stick to iPhone because they love their AirPods. I sure do.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  > People stick to iPhone because they love their AirPods. Wow, I had the reverse course where I jumped off the iPhone train mainly because airPods were doing nothing for me compared to the competition (mainly Shokz), and I also wanted the 3.5 jack (and NFC as a bonus). I still get that people can enjoy their airPod as a good product, but don't see it as massively better than Bose or Sony's product for instance if set in a vacuum, which makes the difference in market size extremely artificial to my eyes.
plorkyeran 2y ago
A feature for your existing product that you can charge an extra $100-200 for and have it sell incredibly well might even be better than a distinct product.
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  Totally agree. I see the iCloud space upgrade the same way: it's the only standalone way to get a full phone backup, and it's surely a juicy business everybody would want for themselves.