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I expected a real working clone of the Ryzen chip. Calling it mindblowing is a bit exaggerate since it's basically a piece of metal/plastic with no electronics

by alecsm 2y ago

I expected a real working clone of the Ryzen chip. Calling it mindblowing is a bit exaggerate since it's basically a piece of metal/plastic with no electronics in it.

fluoridation 2y ago
It is very unusual that someone would go to this much effort instead of using a real dead CPU or re-lasering a lower spec one.
- Animats 2y ago
  Yes. Repeat business will be zero. The seller can't sell very many before they have to shut down and go into hiding. Yet it takes a lot of cost and effort to set this up. As a scam business plan, it's not a good one.
  - imglorp 2y ago
    That's exactly the Amazon scammer business model. They can have a new store with a new name in seconds and be back in business with none of that pesky customer service and other accountability.
  - bangaladore 2y ago
    With a chinese manufacturer, I think you could probably make about 100 of these for less than a few thousand bucks easily. With all the cost in the cnc'd heat spreaders. Maybe 100 for < 1k.
- userbinator 2y ago
  Indeed, remarked CPUs have been a known scam for decades by now. At least those will somewhat work and delay the arousal of suspicion, while this is an instant fail. Perhaps this was made for warranty fraud?
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  Recently saw some interesting AMD Ryzen motherboards with integrated Zen4 laptop CPU on AliExpress. Then I saw one of the sellers had a note that the processor would not show model number, so you had to look up the serial number to determine model, and it'd benchmark 10% slower. Totally not rejects...
transcriptase 2y ago
Same. Was immediately worried since I bought a 7800x3d for a “too good to be true” price off Aliexpress earlier in the year that works flawlessly and appears to be the real deal.
- NotACop182 2y ago
  Did you benchmark it? Could be an old chip relasered to fool consumer
  - Tuna-Fish 2y ago
    7800X3D is really easy to verify because you can just check the cache amount. 7800X3D is the cheapest chip that fits into AM5 and has the 96MB L3.
    - contingencies 2y ago
      lscpu |grep ^L3
  - sunshowers 2y ago
    Aliexpress is legit, they'll usually be "tray"/OEM CPUs but there's no reason to assume that they're fake.
    - Eduard 2y ago
      > Aliexpress is legit That's way too positive. Aliexpress is loaded with counterfeit products as well.
    - userbinator 2y ago
      There are also plenty of used CPUs of older models, but those tend to be fine since they don't really die unless abused (or are certain Intel 13th and 14th gen models...) and were probably run at stock settings for the few years the server it was in was warrantied for before being sent to recycling (creating tons of unnecessary waste, but good to see people have figured out how to encourage reuse while also profiting from it.) I've also purchased used pre-Rowhammer RAM from there, and it was perfect too.
ClassyJacket 2y ago
I was going to say - I didn't think it was plausible that anyone had the capability to manufacture competitive chips, without the world knowing their foundry exists. Would have been funny if it was real, but was actually a 486, or something. Probably not possible due to motherboard compatibility\pin configurations or something, but still.
- deleted 2y ago
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urbandw311er 2y ago
“Mindblowing” is in there as click bait. It would be great if we can remove it from the HN title.
- boneitis 2y ago
  I'm not an overclocking enthusiast, but my read on it is that it's mindblowing for reasons alluded to in a sibling thread and enclosed in quotes to reference the video creator's remark on the extreme, almost nonsensical measures taken (though understandable in hindsight) to spoof the hardware[0]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7C_x5EI-fQ&t=7m40s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7C_x5EI-fQ&t=7m40s

by alecsm 2y ago

I expected a real working clone of the Ryzen chip. Calling it mindblowing is a bit exaggerate since it's basically a piece of metal/plastic with no electronics in it.

fluoridation 2y ago

It is very unusual that someone would go to this much effort instead of using a real dead CPU or re-lasering a lower spec one.

Animats 2y ago
Yes. Repeat business will be zero. The seller can't sell very many before they have to shut down and go into hiding. Yet it takes a lot of cost and effort to set this up. As a scam business plan, it's not a good one.
- imglorp 2y ago
  That's exactly the Amazon scammer business model. They can have a new store with a new name in seconds and be back in business with none of that pesky customer service and other accountability.
- bangaladore 2y ago
  With a chinese manufacturer, I think you could probably make about 100 of these for less than a few thousand bucks easily. With all the cost in the cnc'd heat spreaders. Maybe 100 for < 1k.
userbinator 2y ago
Indeed, remarked CPUs have been a known scam for decades by now. At least those will somewhat work and delay the arousal of suspicion, while this is an instant fail. Perhaps this was made for warranty fraud?
magicalhippo 2y ago
Recently saw some interesting AMD Ryzen motherboards with integrated Zen4 laptop CPU on AliExpress. Then I saw one of the sellers had a note that the processor would not show model number, so you had to look up the serial number to determine model, and it'd benchmark 10% slower. Totally not rejects...

transcriptase 2y ago

Same. Was immediately worried since I bought a 7800x3d for a “too good to be true” price off Aliexpress earlier in the year that works flawlessly and appears to be the real deal.

NotACop182 2y ago
Did you benchmark it? Could be an old chip relasered to fool consumer
- Tuna-Fish 2y ago
  7800X3D is really easy to verify because you can just check the cache amount. 7800X3D is the cheapest chip that fits into AM5 and has the 96MB L3.
  - contingencies 2y ago
    lscpu |grep ^L3
- sunshowers 2y ago
  Aliexpress is legit, they'll usually be "tray"/OEM CPUs but there's no reason to assume that they're fake.
  - Eduard 2y ago
    > Aliexpress is legit That's way too positive. Aliexpress is loaded with counterfeit products as well.
  - userbinator 2y ago
    There are also plenty of used CPUs of older models, but those tend to be fine since they don't really die unless abused (or are certain Intel 13th and 14th gen models...) and were probably run at stock settings for the few years the server it was in was warrantied for before being sent to recycling (creating tons of unnecessary waste, but good to see people have figured out how to encourage reuse while also profiting from it.) I've also purchased used pre-Rowhammer RAM from there, and it was perfect too.

ClassyJacket 2y ago

I was going to say - I didn't think it was plausible that anyone had the capability to manufacture competitive chips, without the world knowing their foundry exists. Would have been funny if it was real, but was actually a 486, or something. Probably not possible due to motherboard compatibility\pin configurations or something, but still.

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urbandw311er 2y ago

“Mindblowing” is in there as click bait. It would be great if we can remove it from the HN title.

boneitis 2y ago
I'm not an overclocking enthusiast, but my read on it is that it's mindblowing for reasons alluded to in a sibling thread and enclosed in quotes to reference the video creator's remark on the extreme, almost nonsensical measures taken (though understandable in hindsight) to spoof the hardware[0]. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7C_x5EI-fQ&t=7m40s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7C_x5EI-fQ&t=7m40s