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From https://gleam.run https://gleam.run : > Black lives matter. Trans rights are human rights. No nazi bullsh*t. I agree, but I do not agree with painting people that disagree as 'Nazi'. *edit: that quote was from the Gleam website, not the website linked.

hus2b3 2y ago
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evnix 2y ago
I would be with you till I experienced South Korea. Here in South Korea, there is institutionalized racism or something we call as institution enabled racism. People who are not Korean or white aren't even allowed in most clubs or jobs and it isn't illegal to do so. Labeling deters bringing exclusionary views into tech projects, It could be just words, but I am happy to see the privileged society at least care for the minority in the west. I wish there was more of this in Korean tech websites, but xenophobia is so ingrained that people don't realise that it is wrong. People openly admit that they are xenophobic but don't see anything wrong with it. In korea, labeling someone a nazi doesn't work as they don't care and can't relate. But the label that works here is calling someone "poor" or "ugly".
- hus2b3 2y ago
  Yes, they should just say on there website: We don't tolerate racism of any kind. Unless they want to express something different with their "No nazi bullsh*t". Unfortunately plain and clear statements are not used often. But (esp. younger) people are more often echoing political main stream slogans. That is by the way the key thing to understand when talking about the history of Nazis.
- maxcan 2y ago
  Are they killing unwanted minorities and political dissidents on an industrial scale? No, they aren’t. Ergo, they aren’t N*is. Labeling them as such is unfair to them and an insult to the memory of those killed by the actual kind. There can be widespread bigotry that falls far far short of N*ism. Words and precision matter.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  Not letting people into clubs is bad, but it’s not the same thing as starting the most destructive war in history while also murdering millions of innocent people. So no, racist Koreans are not comparable to nazis.
  - ImPleadThe5th 2y ago
    Very uninformed take. There are still people out in the world that call themselves Nazis. Its not directly comparing "todays" people to those that started world war II. Its calling out white nationalist by the name some of them have chosen for themselves.
WuxiFingerHold 2y ago
The statement ("No nazi bullsh*t") is an uninformed political slogan directed at all non-left-wing opinions. There's a lot we all must learn from the history of Nazis. Or the history of the USA (genocide of the Native American and slavery of millions of Africans). If they are against racism, why don't they just write this? Because they want to sneak in a political statement. That's where they lost me.
- imtringued 2y ago
  Sadly I have seen this all too often. A lot of seemingly "anti-fascist" activism is just a saviour complex. Consider a great evil, claim to be against that great evil and become the greatest hero in the process. The problem is that we are running of Nazis, so the bar for someone being called a Nazi or fascist keeps dropping, because of the great demand by saviours.
- ImPleadThe5th 2y ago
  What is even happening in this comment? You can learn from history _and_ berate Nazis. Those aren't mutually exclusive. I don't know where you're from, but there are also _modern_ Nazis who proudly identify as such and they can and should be told to fuck off.
- duggan 2y ago
  I think if I were reading a statement like "no nazi bullshit" and thought it applied to me, I'd probably wonder "are we the baddies?"[1]. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    The person you replied to doesn’t suggest anywhere that they think the comment applies to them.
apoao 2y ago
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tharmas 2y ago
It's off putting. It should say "please be respectful and polite toward one another".

hus2b3 2y ago

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evnix 2y ago

I would be with you till I experienced South Korea. Here in South Korea, there is institutionalized racism or something we call as institution enabled racism. People who are not Korean or white aren't even allowed in most clubs or jobs and it isn't illegal to do so. Labeling deters bringing exclusionary views into tech projects, It could be just words, but I am happy to see the privileged society at least care for the minority in the west. I wish there was more of this in Korean tech websites, but xenophobia is so ingrained that people don't realise that it is wrong. People openly admit that they are xenophobic but don't see anything wrong with it. In korea, labeling someone a nazi doesn't work as they don't care and can't relate. But the label that works here is calling someone "poor" or "ugly".

hus2b3 2y ago
Yes, they should just say on there website: We don't tolerate racism of any kind. Unless they want to express something different with their "No nazi bullsh*t". Unfortunately plain and clear statements are not used often. But (esp. younger) people are more often echoing political main stream slogans. That is by the way the key thing to understand when talking about the history of Nazis.
maxcan 2y ago
Are they killing unwanted minorities and political dissidents on an industrial scale? No, they aren’t. Ergo, they aren’t N*is. Labeling them as such is unfair to them and an insult to the memory of those killed by the actual kind. There can be widespread bigotry that falls far far short of N*ism. Words and precision matter.
School-Cotton 2y ago
Not letting people into clubs is bad, but it’s not the same thing as starting the most destructive war in history while also murdering millions of innocent people. So no, racist Koreans are not comparable to nazis.
- ImPleadThe5th 2y ago
  Very uninformed take. There are still people out in the world that call themselves Nazis. Its not directly comparing "todays" people to those that started world war II. Its calling out white nationalist by the name some of them have chosen for themselves.

WuxiFingerHold 2y ago

The statement ("No nazi bullsh*t") is an uninformed political slogan directed at all non-left-wing opinions. There's a lot we all must learn from the history of Nazis. Or the history of the USA (genocide of the Native American and slavery of millions of Africans). If they are against racism, why don't they just write this? Because they want to sneak in a political statement. That's where they lost me.

imtringued 2y ago
Sadly I have seen this all too often. A lot of seemingly "anti-fascist" activism is just a saviour complex. Consider a great evil, claim to be against that great evil and become the greatest hero in the process. The problem is that we are running of Nazis, so the bar for someone being called a Nazi or fascist keeps dropping, because of the great demand by saviours.
ImPleadThe5th 2y ago
What is even happening in this comment? You can learn from history _and_ berate Nazis. Those aren't mutually exclusive. I don't know where you're from, but there are also _modern_ Nazis who proudly identify as such and they can and should be told to fuck off.
duggan 2y ago
I think if I were reading a statement like "no nazi bullshit" and thought it applied to me, I'd probably wonder "are we the baddies?"[1]. 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  The person you replied to doesn’t suggest anywhere that they think the comment applies to them.

apoao 2y ago

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tharmas 2y ago

It's off putting. It should say "please be respectful and polite toward one another".