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Can you easily compile a binary? (I assume you just use standard CL methods?) > [CIEL custom REPL ] has a shell pass-through: try !ls (available in the ciel-u

by qup 2y ago

Can you easily compile a binary? (I assume you just use standard CL methods?) > [CIEL custom REPL ] has a shell pass-through: try !ls (available in the ciel-user package) That's a kickass feature.

amelius 2y ago
What's wrong with Ctrl+Z?
- hnlmorg 2y ago
  You cannot use lisp expressions and functions as arguments in bash.
- jxy 2y ago
  so it wouldn't require a shell that supports job control?
  - kstrauser 2y ago
    That's a pretty low bar. What's the Venn diagram of (systems which can run this) & (systems with only terrible shells)?
zipy124 2y ago
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought that was a fairly standard thing? The Ipython kernel uses exactly the same format, or you can go for a full shell and use xonsh. Or is python the odd one out in its REPL implementations here? I'm only familiar with python and e-lisp for REPL's.
- qup 2y ago
  > CIEL's REPL is more user friendly than the default SBCL one. In particular: > ... > * it has a shell pass-through: try !ls (available in the ciel-user package) It was specifically mentioned as a reason why CIEL is better. But I don't use enough languages to know overall, sorry.
- vindarel 2y ago
  You are right but let's put things in order: CL's REPL is outstandingly more interactive than Python's. Specially with Emacs & Slime (or the others coming close: Pulsar with SLIMA, vim, VSCode, Intellij, Sublime…) We have an interactive debugger, restarts, we can resume a failed computation from anywhere in the stack, we don't loose state, the Lisp program actually never restarts, we compile a function against a live image and get immediate feedback… (it's an internal and difficult explanation on forums) However, neither the built-in SBCL terminal REPL nor Slime offer a shell pass-through or ipython-like commands. We add one (by using the Clesh library). The doc doesn't mention it yet, we can enable the shell passthrough in Slime's REPL (or any other editor): CIEL-USER> (enable-shell-passthrough)
vindarel 2y ago
It is very handy. Users who want an advanced lisp shell for the terminal, where they can mix & match shell and lisp code, would turn to lish: https://github.com/nibbula/lish/ https://github.com/nibbula/lish/ (not considered "ready" or "good enough" by the author, but well advanced). also https://github.com/bradleyjensen/shcl https://github.com/bradleyjensen/shcl, a POSIX shell. As always: see more on https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#shells-shells-interfaces https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#shells-shells-int...
vindarel 2y ago
> Can you easily compile a binary? (I assume you just use standard CL methods?) ATM you use standard methods, by using CIEL as a library. I'd like to add a `ciel build` command.

by qup 2y ago

Can you easily compile a binary? (I assume you just use standard CL methods?) > [CIEL custom REPL ] has a shell pass-through: try !ls (available in the ciel-user package) That's a kickass feature.

amelius 2y ago

What's wrong with Ctrl+Z?

hnlmorg 2y ago
You cannot use lisp expressions and functions as arguments in bash.
jxy 2y ago
so it wouldn't require a shell that supports job control?
- kstrauser 2y ago
  That's a pretty low bar. What's the Venn diagram of (systems which can run this) & (systems with only terrible shells)?

zipy124 2y ago

Forgive me if I'm wrong but I thought that was a fairly standard thing? The Ipython kernel uses exactly the same format, or you can go for a full shell and use xonsh. Or is python the odd one out in its REPL implementations here? I'm only familiar with python and e-lisp for REPL's.

qup 2y ago
> CIEL's REPL is more user friendly than the default SBCL one. In particular: > ... > * it has a shell pass-through: try !ls (available in the ciel-user package) It was specifically mentioned as a reason why CIEL is better. But I don't use enough languages to know overall, sorry.
vindarel 2y ago
You are right but let's put things in order: CL's REPL is outstandingly more interactive than Python's. Specially with Emacs & Slime (or the others coming close: Pulsar with SLIMA, vim, VSCode, Intellij, Sublime…) We have an interactive debugger, restarts, we can resume a failed computation from anywhere in the stack, we don't loose state, the Lisp program actually never restarts, we compile a function against a live image and get immediate feedback… (it's an internal and difficult explanation on forums) However, neither the built-in SBCL terminal REPL nor Slime offer a shell pass-through or ipython-like commands. We add one (by using the Clesh library). The doc doesn't mention it yet, we can enable the shell passthrough in Slime's REPL (or any other editor): CIEL-USER> (enable-shell-passthrough)

vindarel 2y ago

It is very handy. Users who want an advanced lisp shell for the terminal, where they can mix & match shell and lisp code, would turn to lish: https://github.com/nibbula/lish/ https://github.com/nibbula/lish/ (not considered "ready" or "good enough" by the author, but well advanced). also https://github.com/bradleyjensen/shcl https://github.com/bradleyjensen/shcl, a POSIX shell. As always: see more on https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#shells-shells-interfaces https://github.com/CodyReichert/awesome-cl#shells-shells-int...

vindarel 2y ago

> Can you easily compile a binary? (I assume you just use standard CL methods?) ATM you use standard methods, by using CIEL as a library. I'd like to add a `ciel build` command.