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> or needing 100 different subscriptions to get some good content Cable still exists. People wanted the ability to sub to whatever they wanted (often leaving o

> or needing 100 different subscriptions to get some good content Cable still exists. People wanted the ability to sub to whatever they wanted (often leaving out sports for example). That's happened and now people want it all in one place. It turns out what people want is everything in one place for free, which is leading Netflix to have an ad-tier. Though, re-bundling is going to take some time as consolidation happens.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
Don't worry by the way, cable boxes, Netflix, and televisions will give away your privacy even if you pay
- mlindner 2y ago
  You don't get past the ads, but over-the-air TV still exists and is technologically impossible to track you individually. Also, if you're connecting your TV to the internet, that's a "you" problem.
  - stubish 2y ago
    For a while. Over here we expect to lose one of our three commercial TV stations in the next few years, because the market (ie. ad spending) has been moving online. Regional broadcast stations are already shutting down, because it is not worth the cost of maintaining the transmitters when people can get the same stream online.
ensignavenger 2y ago
Cable is laced with advertising and is linear, whereas much of the world has moved on to on demand. Further, what folks always wanted back in the days before streaming was the ability not to pay for genres they didn't want. Netflix had a reasonable low price for a while so it was worth it even if you only really watched one or two genres they had, and ignored the rest of the content. But with higher prices, it is ever more difficult to justify. Disney used to offer Disney, Hulu, and ESPN separately or as a bundle, so if you didn't watch sports, you could just get Disney and Hulu. Or if you just wanted Disney, you could get that. But they have raised prices and increasingly pushed bundling. I for one would be perfectly willing to have an option where I could get Westerns for 2 or 3 bucks a month, Action/super heros for 2 or 3 bucks, SciFi for 2 or 3 bucks, Romance/RomCom for a buck. Kids/cartoons for a buck or two etc. And then choose what I want to subscribe to each month. But if you are going to charge me 20 bucks a month, you had better have 20 bucks a month worth of content that I actually want to watch. (and no ads). Oh, and stop making good shows with cliff hanger endings and then canceling them!
- dylan604 2y ago
  > Cable is laced with advertising and is linear, whereas much of the world has moved on to on demand As a counter, there is a trend of linear streaming channels increasing in popularity. Lots of people just want to put something on for a bit of time rather than doom scrolling on-demand to find something to put on. There have been times where I've spent the majority of the time I was willing to kill watching something searching for something to watch. Curated channels with content that your interested in is very compelling. > I for one would be perfectly willing to have an option where These are definitely out there. I worked on the backed in for something that did this very thing. There was a channel for nothing but old western TV shows. Another channel that was nothing but animal related content. Another that was basically a Hallmark channel with similar content. I never did see what their pricing was though
  - WorldMaker 2y ago
    Beyond the providers still offering linear TV (and the new ones being built in a new "trend" sometimes referred to as FAST TV [1]) You can see some of the linear background channel desires/trends in Twitch streaming numbers, too, and in some of the popularity of some Twitch streaming channels (such as MST3K's 24/7 MST3K channel). Also this is part of why several big "comfort events" on Twitch such as 24/7 streaming of Bob Ross or Mr. Roger's Neighborhood blew up virally. [1] https://www.mni.com/blog/popular-streaming-services-what-is-fast-tv https://www.mni.com/blog/popular-streaming-services-what-is-...
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eitland 2y ago
Actually for most part I don't want to subscribe. And I don't want free ad sponsored. I just want to pay a reasonable (I'll get back to this) price for the things I actually want. Netflix was OK with me (and I think a number of others) despite being a subscription service not because it was a subscription. It was OK because it was - the only option - reasonably priced - and had "everything" one wanted So what is reasonable? I'd assume that with all the cost savings given the digitalization of the delivery at least it shouldn't be more expensive than renting a physical dvd, although I'd accept if they adjusted a little for inflation.
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  So use the Apple TV store (formerly iTunes Store). There you can buy nearly anything from any studio, and you pay per episode or per season. Whether the costs are reasonable or not is in the eye of the beholder but I don't feel ripped off by it.
  - encom 2y ago
    >buy Nothing is for sale at the Apple TV "Store". You pay for a license to stream a piece of content, that lasts until Apple or the content owner decides to revoke it.
    - walterbell 2y ago
      Has any Apple TV purchase been revoked?
      - dwighttk 2y ago
        Not sure… I have a bundle of Downton Abbey that is no longer for sale on iTunes and I can play it, but (for a while, they may have fixed it) at the end of an episode you had to navigate to the next episode by selecting the show and scrolling horizontally through every single episode. Technically possible but very irritating. (Funny thing: I was watching the show when the switch happened… I watched two or three with the obvious play next episode in series behavior and then it suddenly stopped working… apple support finally told me it seems like it was related to it being taken off in favor of a bundle with the film included.)
MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago
> It turns out what people want is everything in one place for free I'd say this is provably false based on the popularity of streaming services, specifically the rise of Netflix's streaming service. That is the opposite of free. Netflix is not offering ad tiers due to a lack of subscribers; they are doing it because there were a handful of quarters where revenue stagnated. This does not mean it was a bad business model; it means they want perpetual growth to satisfy shareholders. Same old story. The reasons cable was and is bad and was destined to be replaced: - No ability to unbundle (as you said) - Messy time-shifting (DVRs, PPV, all that nonsense) - Complicated and limited setup (proprietary hardware; extra fees for multiple devices; no ability to view on a computer or mobile device) - Tons of fun trying to cancel Cable has two real advantages: - Fast channel switching - Garbage exclusivity contracts Streaming doesn't solve exclusivity but it certainly doesn't make it worse. In fact, making it easier to subscribe and cancel makes it significantly better.
- matwood 2y ago
  > I'd say this is provably false based on the popularity of streaming services, specifically the rise of Netflix's streaming service. When Netflix came out it was effectively free at $10. People want billions worth of content for $10/month. We all do, but that's not sustainable.
CamperBob2 2y ago
It turns out what people want is everything in one place for free No, it doesn't "turn out" that way at all. But if the pirates provide better service for free than the proprietors offer at any price, that can hardly be seen as my problem as a consumer. For a few brief, shining years, it looked like the media and entertainment industries were starting to understand that. Turned out not to be the case, though.
- repeekad 2y ago
  Spotify! I used to pirate music because I couldn’t afford it otherwise, then suddenly Spotify made it so reasonable it’s genuinely worth not pirating As for subscribing to Netflix Disney+ Hulu Prime Apple TV HBO peacock nebula discovery+ paramount+ crunchyroll YouTube premium/TV.... I may still download some stuff

01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago

Don't worry by the way, cable boxes, Netflix, and televisions will give away your privacy even if you pay

mlindner 2y ago
You don't get past the ads, but over-the-air TV still exists and is technologically impossible to track you individually. Also, if you're connecting your TV to the internet, that's a "you" problem.
- stubish 2y ago
  For a while. Over here we expect to lose one of our three commercial TV stations in the next few years, because the market (ie. ad spending) has been moving online. Regional broadcast stations are already shutting down, because it is not worth the cost of maintaining the transmitters when people can get the same stream online.

ensignavenger 2y ago

Cable is laced with advertising and is linear, whereas much of the world has moved on to on demand. Further, what folks always wanted back in the days before streaming was the ability not to pay for genres they didn't want. Netflix had a reasonable low price for a while so it was worth it even if you only really watched one or two genres they had, and ignored the rest of the content. But with higher prices, it is ever more difficult to justify. Disney used to offer Disney, Hulu, and ESPN separately or as a bundle, so if you didn't watch sports, you could just get Disney and Hulu. Or if you just wanted Disney, you could get that. But they have raised prices and increasingly pushed bundling. I for one would be perfectly willing to have an option where I could get Westerns for 2 or 3 bucks a month, Action/super heros for 2 or 3 bucks, SciFi for 2 or 3 bucks, Romance/RomCom for a buck. Kids/cartoons for a buck or two etc. And then choose what I want to subscribe to each month. But if you are going to charge me 20 bucks a month, you had better have 20 bucks a month worth of content that I actually want to watch. (and no ads). Oh, and stop making good shows with cliff hanger endings and then canceling them!

dylan604 2y ago
> Cable is laced with advertising and is linear, whereas much of the world has moved on to on demand As a counter, there is a trend of linear streaming channels increasing in popularity. Lots of people just want to put something on for a bit of time rather than doom scrolling on-demand to find something to put on. There have been times where I've spent the majority of the time I was willing to kill watching something searching for something to watch. Curated channels with content that your interested in is very compelling. > I for one would be perfectly willing to have an option where These are definitely out there. I worked on the backed in for something that did this very thing. There was a channel for nothing but old western TV shows. Another channel that was nothing but animal related content. Another that was basically a Hallmark channel with similar content. I never did see what their pricing was though
- WorldMaker 2y ago
  Beyond the providers still offering linear TV (and the new ones being built in a new "trend" sometimes referred to as FAST TV [1]) You can see some of the linear background channel desires/trends in Twitch streaming numbers, too, and in some of the popularity of some Twitch streaming channels (such as MST3K's 24/7 MST3K channel). Also this is part of why several big "comfort events" on Twitch such as 24/7 streaming of Bob Ross or Mr. Roger's Neighborhood blew up virally. [1] https://www.mni.com/blog/popular-streaming-services-what-is-fast-tv https://www.mni.com/blog/popular-streaming-services-what-is-...
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eitland 2y ago

Actually for most part I don't want to subscribe. And I don't want free ad sponsored. I just want to pay a reasonable (I'll get back to this) price for the things I actually want. Netflix was OK with me (and I think a number of others) despite being a subscription service not because it was a subscription. It was OK because it was - the only option - reasonably priced - and had "everything" one wanted So what is reasonable? I'd assume that with all the cost savings given the digitalization of the delivery at least it shouldn't be more expensive than renting a physical dvd, although I'd accept if they adjusted a little for inflation.

mike_hearn 2y ago
So use the Apple TV store (formerly iTunes Store). There you can buy nearly anything from any studio, and you pay per episode or per season. Whether the costs are reasonable or not is in the eye of the beholder but I don't feel ripped off by it.
- encom 2y ago
  >buy Nothing is for sale at the Apple TV "Store". You pay for a license to stream a piece of content, that lasts until Apple or the content owner decides to revoke it.
  - walterbell 2y ago
    Has any Apple TV purchase been revoked?
    - dwighttk 2y ago
      Not sure… I have a bundle of Downton Abbey that is no longer for sale on iTunes and I can play it, but (for a while, they may have fixed it) at the end of an episode you had to navigate to the next episode by selecting the show and scrolling horizontally through every single episode. Technically possible but very irritating. (Funny thing: I was watching the show when the switch happened… I watched two or three with the obvious play next episode in series behavior and then it suddenly stopped working… apple support finally told me it seems like it was related to it being taken off in favor of a bundle with the film included.)

MetaWhirledPeas 2y ago

> It turns out what people want is everything in one place for free I'd say this is provably false based on the popularity of streaming services, specifically the rise of Netflix's streaming service. That is the opposite of free. Netflix is not offering ad tiers due to a lack of subscribers; they are doing it because there were a handful of quarters where revenue stagnated. This does not mean it was a bad business model; it means they want perpetual growth to satisfy shareholders. Same old story. The reasons cable was and is bad and was destined to be replaced: - No ability to unbundle (as you said) - Messy time-shifting (DVRs, PPV, all that nonsense) - Complicated and limited setup (proprietary hardware; extra fees for multiple devices; no ability to view on a computer or mobile device) - Tons of fun trying to cancel Cable has two real advantages: - Fast channel switching - Garbage exclusivity contracts Streaming doesn't solve exclusivity but it certainly doesn't make it worse. In fact, making it easier to subscribe and cancel makes it significantly better.

matwood 2y ago
> I'd say this is provably false based on the popularity of streaming services, specifically the rise of Netflix's streaming service. When Netflix came out it was effectively free at $10. People want billions worth of content for $10/month. We all do, but that's not sustainable.

CamperBob2 2y ago

It turns out what people want is everything in one place for free No, it doesn't "turn out" that way at all. But if the pirates provide better service for free than the proprietors offer at any price, that can hardly be seen as my problem as a consumer. For a few brief, shining years, it looked like the media and entertainment industries were starting to understand that. Turned out not to be the case, though.

repeekad 2y ago
Spotify! I used to pirate music because I couldn’t afford it otherwise, then suddenly Spotify made it so reasonable it’s genuinely worth not pirating As for subscribing to Netflix Disney+ Hulu Prime Apple TV HBO peacock nebula discovery+ paramount+ crunchyroll YouTube premium/TV.... I may still download some stuff