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Open Source Twitch for Developers
- pzmarzly 2y agoPer Tigris Pricing[0]: > While other cloud providers tax you for each GB of data transferred, we don't. At Tigris, we don't charge for regional data transfer, region-to-region data transfer, or data transfer out to the internet (egress) in the majority of use cases. However, if your bandwidth requirements are extraordinary, please reach out to us at sales@tigrisdata.com to discuss your requirements. I wonder if a successful live video platform would count as extraordinary usage, I would assume so. [0] https://www.tigrisdata.com/docs/pricing/ https://www.tigrisdata.com/docs/pricing/
- PhilippGille 2y agoThey seem to have partnered in the past, which sounds like Tigris is on board with Algora's usage: > Every time Tigris partnered with Algora for live media & distribution we saw more developers try Tigris and experienced increased inbound from prospective customers. (from a testimonial by Tigris' CEO on https://tv.algora.io/partner https://tv.algora.io/partner)
- stanleykm 2y agoFor now they havent had anyone build a successful livestreaming site but they have had some punters try so theyre happy to take the money.
- ovaistariq 2y agoThat depends on what you would qualify as successful :) It’s early days but AlgoraTV is seeing a lot of success in my opinion. I am generally happy to support folks in however way I can.
- ovaistariq 2y agoTigris CEO and co-founder here. Unless it is in tens of PB range we don’t count it as extraordinary. And even then the goal is not to tax for bandwidth.
- pzmarzly 2y agoThe link points to the code, but for me the more interesting part is the public instance. https://tv.algora.io/ https://tv.algora.io/
- bosky101 2y agohttps://tv.algora.io/docs/streaming/quickstart https://tv.algora.io/docs/streaming/quickstart
- drpossum 2y agoTitling this as "open source Twitch" makes me think this is somehow related to twitch. Why not just say "open source streaming platform for developers"?
- croes 2y ago>open source streaming platform Like Netflix? Naming the comparable known service sets the expectations straight. But I wouldn't just it in the title for IP reasons.
- prmoustache 2y agoThe actual github repo has a different title: The interactive livestreaming & video sharing service for developers.
- croes 2y agoIf you scroll down, but a the top it says Open source Twitch for developers
- drpossum 2y agoNo, it doesn't. There's an important difference between wording like open "source twitch" and "open source twitch-like"
- croes 2y agoTo me Twitch was obviously used as a deonym.
- jsnell 2y ago"Livestreaming" is an established term for this kind of service that also naturally sets the right expectations.
- CYR1X 2y agoWhat makes it specifically for developers? Why couldn't gamers use this?
- prmoustache 2y agoThe dependency on github is giving me pause. I think it is nice to give the option for developpers to connect with github, but local accounts should always be a possibility imho. Also it is not clear from the readme if Tigris is a requirement or if any S3 API compatible storage can be used. It doesn't seem to be the case according to the environment variables given so I find it strange that Tigris is even mentionned.
- zcesur 2y agoDuly noted, we're probably going to add local accounts at some point. For the time being, limiting to GitHub auth has been really helpful to keep the platform focused on developers and combat spam. Any S3-compatible storage should work fine! That being said it would require a lot more work to set it up as you also need to worry about caching, replication, distribution etc. For a livestreaming platform it's super important to ensure livestreams are available globally to minimize latency for viewers. Tigris has all of this built-in, so it already behaves like a CDN. It's what we use on https://algora.tv https://algora.tv and we wanted to make getting started as easy as possible for our contributors and anyone who's looking to self-host.
- prmoustache 2y agoMakes sense, thank you.
- fedeb95 2y agowould be interesting to have a local only instance, for use only inside an organization. Will explore if it is possibile.
- dindresto 2y agoIn the fediverse, owncast is an established selfhosted solution for livestreams with chat: https://owncast.online/ https://owncast.online/
- KronisLV 2y agoDidn’t PeerTube also have some streaming functionality? https://docs.joinpeertube.org/use/create-upload-video#publish-a-live https://docs.joinpeertube.org/use/create-upload-video#publis... I’ve used it for hosting videos only so far, but it’s a lovely piece of software.
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- _5hxt 2y agoWhat's the relation with Twitch?
- jonhohle 2y agoI’ve recently been streaming decompilation on Twitch[0]. I find the intersection of gaming and tech enthusiasts nice (it’s pretty basic educational decomp and describing the mechanics of the game). Ultimately where are people going to watch and discover? Glad to see interest in dev streaming. 0 - https://m.twitch.tv/madeupofwires/home https://m.twitch.tv/madeupofwires/home
- zcesur 2y agoCreator of Algora here, thanks for sharing! This was a pleasant surprise :) I posted about our Elixir bounties yesterday on Reddit, and I was not expecting to see it on HN front page the next day. I've been building this since early this year. Over the past few months, developers like Daniel Roe (Nuxt.com maintainer), Chris Griffing, Andras Bacsai (Coolify.io maintainer) have been livestreaming with Algora their coding sessions, office hours, product launches, podcasts, and more. Algora TV supports free multistreaming to Twitch, X, YouTube, custom RTMPs [1] and aggregates live comments from these platforms. I chose to build Algora in Elixir because of a few reasons: 1) Productivity gains from using Phoenix LiveView are unparalleled as a solo developer 2) OTP is super helpful for handling complex streaming pipelines. Things like multistreaming, mirroring chat messages, capturing thumbnails etc. can fail at any time, and OTP makes it easier to build fault-tolerant processes 3) BEAM clustering allows distributing the system across multiple nodes with ease, which helps reduce latency between streamers and viewers. As the sole maintainer of the project, I'd love to get your help with improving Algora! If you're up for contributing, I've put up a bunch of bounties [2] to prioritize some issues. In any case, I'd love to hear from you if you have any feedback or questions! [1]: https://algora.tv/docs/streaming/multicast https://algora.tv/docs/streaming/multicast [2]: https://algora.io/org/algora/bounties https://algora.io/org/algora/bounties
- marshray 2y agoSince you asked for feedback, the first two things I noticed were: 1. The license. 2. On the home page, everyone had the X logo by their name. For me, personally, these things combined were enough to decide to not bookmark it.
- spartanatreyu 2y agoPersonally X logos are a red flag for me. I either think they're: 1. Old accounts that haven't been updated in a long time 2. Bots or fake and generated accounts 3. Conspiracy nuts
- lakomen 2y agoDocumentation sucks. It doesn't explain what it is. Why open source Twitch? Introduction doesn't explain anything. Is it a Twitch competitor? Is it a restream competitor? ... annoying
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoWhy would I use this instead of something like streaming directly on Twitch or YouTube? Since they also bring the audience it helps to stream there. There used to be a livecoding.tv back in the day which slowly died out so I would love to have something like this but I don't fully get why to use it.
- bluefirebrand 2y agoPersonally I think it would be useful to have "as well as" Youtube and Twitch streams Use the bigger established sites to find an audience, direct them to your personal stream if they want to support you without Twitch or YouTube taking a cut
- prmoustache 2y agoYou may want to not have your content disappear suddently if for some reasons Twitch or Youtube decide unilateraly that they want to get rid of your account. Ditto if at some point you realise you don't want to be associated with them and want to close your account. You would still have that place you control where you can redirect people.
- duskwuff 2y ago> There used to be a livecoding.tv back in the day which slowly died out For a bit of additional context: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10486476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10486476 Anecdotally, they cold-emailed me in 2016 "looking for cool projects developers are building", using an email address they probably scraped from Github. Not a good sign when you're resorting to spamming people to beg for content.
- ilrwbwrkhv 2y agoWow. Thanks for sharing this. I just had no idea or might have just deleted this from my mind. Now I see why they died out. I didn't know YC was involved so much.
- zcesur 2y agoMost of our users multistream to Twitch, YouTube and X through Algora! We also support aggregating live chat comments from these platforms and embedding them on your screen, and more recently, livestream monetization via in-video ads
- solarkraft 2y agoPlease stop directly referring to brands in your descriptions. This is not Twitch. Maybe it’s like Twitch, but it is not Twitch. Not only is it confusing, it also gets you into hot water legally.
- jascha_eng 2y agoThis isn't even close to twitch right? It's just a middle layer to add ads to the stream without it being adblockable.
- zcesur 2y agoYou stream from your OBS directly to Algora, just like Twitch. And we let you multistream to YouTube, X, Twitch just like Restream. The ads is a new feature, the cool thing is they don't interrupt the stream and show across all platforms.
- lolinder 2y ago> the cool thing is they don't interrupt the stream and show across all platforms This is probably the wrong approach to selling this audience on an ads feature. A different approach that would be equally true (I assume) would be: "The cool thing is that since these ads are embedded in the stream there's no tracking and no client-side JavaScript of any kind—the ads are targeted at the content, not individuals!"
- Shock9889 2y agoGreat start, do you plan to implement some features that are specific to this type of content? E.g. interactive coding with viewers, text-only streams, other quality of life improvements. Because now it’s not clear what is the incentive to use it instead of Twitch (from the standpoint of content creator)
- lakomen 2y agoI'm not sure what this is. Is any 3rd party involved? Is it something like restream? Is it development content only? No games or IRL