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What exactly are you wary of? Both of them already know where you live, and the government already buys private databases with all your information in it.

akira2501 2y ago
"Due to an account problem your mobile ID cannot be used at this time." snark removed.
- gruez 2y ago
  So have a physical backup? I don't see how this is different than using google pay. Sure it could get declined, but that's why I have physical cards as backup.
  - akira2501 2y ago
    Google pay and your cards are equivalent and offer equivalent privacy to you. The digital IDs entire reason for existing is removed by reverting to the physical backup, plus you have to keep it with you, and risk losing it which also damages your privacy differently. If you'll allow me to suggest the next goalpost, it would be some locations changing their policy to no longer accept physical IDs. That's probably a long way away, but it is a likely outcome, given our recent history. If the States actually cared about these outcomes, they'd ally together, and create an ID "smartcard" standard, with special terminals, that can be used to present your ID and only release certain information with a PIN. The card would otherwise just have your name and ID number on it. Everything else would need to be digitally "released."
    - teaearlgraycold 2y ago
      The benefit of mDL isn’t that you don’t need your physical card. It allows for limited information dispersal. And it is a backup for your physical card.
inferiorhuman 2y ago
I, for one, do not want to give the cops access to or a reason to take possession of my phone.
- viraptor 2y ago
  You're not forced to use it. It's an issue to think / make a decision about, but it's not an issue with this service.
  - inferiorhuman 2y ago
    Cop sees phone, cop demands you unlock it and hand it over is exactly the scenario I want to avoid. Or cop pretends bluetooth isn't working and demands you fork over the phone so they can make it work. Or you accidentally unlock the phone and cop demands you hand the unlocked phone over. I see plenty of downsides but basically no upside (until someone gets their hands on the state's signing keys).
puppycodes 2y ago
> "What exactly are you wary of?" Take a look at cases that involve violations of the 4th amendment by cops and the insane hurdle that is qualified immunity and you will find out.
southernplaces7 2y ago
So of course then it's okay if the tangled web of corporate/government co-surveillance weaves tighter and people become partially beholden to a tech giant known for being even more opaque and user-hostile than the government itself.
- kjkjadksj 2y ago
  How are you beholden when you still have the id card?
  - southernplaces7 2y ago
    There is a very real possibility of such a partnership eventually becoming obligatory as part of some "modernization and digitization" fad of the kind that many governments love. Certain major countries already have similar and to a slightly more abstract degree, how many government services in how many jurisdictions basically require you to have a smartphone for access to certain services? Those phones and their OS systems come from only a small pool of corporations. It's naive to not think the above or worse is possible

akira2501 2y ago

"Due to an account problem your mobile ID cannot be used at this time." snark removed.

gruez 2y ago
So have a physical backup? I don't see how this is different than using google pay. Sure it could get declined, but that's why I have physical cards as backup.
- akira2501 2y ago
  Google pay and your cards are equivalent and offer equivalent privacy to you. The digital IDs entire reason for existing is removed by reverting to the physical backup, plus you have to keep it with you, and risk losing it which also damages your privacy differently. If you'll allow me to suggest the next goalpost, it would be some locations changing their policy to no longer accept physical IDs. That's probably a long way away, but it is a likely outcome, given our recent history. If the States actually cared about these outcomes, they'd ally together, and create an ID "smartcard" standard, with special terminals, that can be used to present your ID and only release certain information with a PIN. The card would otherwise just have your name and ID number on it. Everything else would need to be digitally "released."
  - teaearlgraycold 2y ago
    The benefit of mDL isn’t that you don’t need your physical card. It allows for limited information dispersal. And it is a backup for your physical card.

inferiorhuman 2y ago

I, for one, do not want to give the cops access to or a reason to take possession of my phone.

viraptor 2y ago
You're not forced to use it. It's an issue to think / make a decision about, but it's not an issue with this service.
- inferiorhuman 2y ago
  Cop sees phone, cop demands you unlock it and hand it over is exactly the scenario I want to avoid. Or cop pretends bluetooth isn't working and demands you fork over the phone so they can make it work. Or you accidentally unlock the phone and cop demands you hand the unlocked phone over. I see plenty of downsides but basically no upside (until someone gets their hands on the state's signing keys).

puppycodes 2y ago

> "What exactly are you wary of?" Take a look at cases that involve violations of the 4th amendment by cops and the insane hurdle that is qualified immunity and you will find out.

southernplaces7 2y ago

So of course then it's okay if the tangled web of corporate/government co-surveillance weaves tighter and people become partially beholden to a tech giant known for being even more opaque and user-hostile than the government itself.

kjkjadksj 2y ago
How are you beholden when you still have the id card?
- southernplaces7 2y ago
  There is a very real possibility of such a partnership eventually becoming obligatory as part of some "modernization and digitization" fad of the kind that many governments love. Certain major countries already have similar and to a slightly more abstract degree, how many government services in how many jurisdictions basically require you to have a smartphone for access to certain services? Those phones and their OS systems come from only a small pool of corporations. It's naive to not think the above or worse is possible