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Do not hand your phone to a cop. Ever.

giantg2 2y ago
It wouldn't surprise me if this sort of digital ID becomes mandatory or default in rhe next 20 years. Imagine a world where you need to upload your license to the canbus, biometrically identify, and breathalyze for the car to start...
- BadHumans 2y ago
  This is where things are headed although I'm not sure it will be dystopian as you imagine. There is not point in requiring digital ID for a breathalyzer.
- dheera 2y ago
  Except Google Wallet doesn't let me use these features anyway because I have a rooted device
- reaperducer 2y ago
  and breathalyze for the car to start This is old tech. I had a boss in the 90's who had an ignition interlock thing on his car and it wouldn't start unless he blew clean. I found out about it when he was trying to find someone at work to blow into it so he could go home. It wasn't until a couple of days later that I put it together that he managed to get so drunk during working hours that he couldn't drive himself home.
  - mixmastamyk 2y ago
    That part is mature, but Google/Apple being the only supported way to unlock it? Priceless.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Yeah, but it's not mandatory on every new car. It very well could be in the future. In fact, one of the laws over the past few years set a mandate on new cars detecting drunk drivers in the future. They're currently working on less intrusive versions that passively scan the air or your hands on the wheel.
    - neuralRiot 2y ago
      Unless there’s breakthrough development on alcohol sensors i doubt it, they need periodic calibration to be precise also it’s not just a matter of “blowing” you need to blow-suck-hum for it to read.
      - giantg2 2y ago
        Many states have mandatory inspections that could fill that role. As I said, they are currently testing cabin air and steering wheel sensors for drunk driving detection.
        neuralRiot 2y ago
        >cabin air and steering wheel sensors for drunk driving detection. Hand sanitizer, fragrances trip interlock breathalyzers all the time, I wonder what could possibly go wrong? Also who’s gonna pay for the towing and the reset/ recalibration after a false positive and why?
        giantg2 2y ago
        I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm just saying that it is being pushed at the federal level. Automatic braking has had some issues, but that's become mandatory as well. No reason to think they'll stop just for false positives.
elicash 2y ago
I think it could depend on the protections Google (and Apple) puts on this type of thing. You could imagine a scenario where putting a phone into driver's license mode disables Face Unlock, and maybe even pauses all push notifications like text messages, and therefore is more secure because it forces people to put their phone into a password mode. So it'd actually encourage people, when talking to law enforcement, to increase their security settings. I don't know if these companies currently do it like this, but they should.
- barkerja 2y ago
  Apple's approach with Wallet is to allow the transmission of (selective) ID data without fully unlocking your phone. I believe it's the same as when you tap to pay using a credit card in your wallet. You must provide passcode/biometrics when requested, but that does not unlock your device.
bryanlarsen 2y ago
You should never need to hand your phone over for any other usage of Google Wallet, so hopefully most people realize that they shouldn't hand it over for this ever.
raldi 2y ago
"You don't need to unlock, show, or hand over your device to present your license or ID." https://support.apple.com/en-us/118237 https://support.apple.com/en-us/118237
modeless 2y ago
You'll be happy to know that the UI for this prominently states that you should not hand your phone to the person requesting ID. ID information is not shown on your screen. It's sent via Bluetooth after an NFC tap and a confirmation dialog.
- puppycodes 2y ago
  "my nfc reader is down, unlock your phone" -- every cop
  - modeless 2y ago
    Yeah I was disappointed to see that while the ID information is hidden by default you can actually bring it up on screen in a buried menu. If they were serious they would have made it so the information can never show on the screen of the device that holds the ID.
  - bigfatkitten 2y ago
    Cop during a traffic stop: "I need to take this back to my car to run some checks."

It wouldn't surprise me if this sort of digital ID becomes mandatory or default in rhe next 20 years. Imagine a world where you need to upload your license to the canbus, biometrically identify, and breathalyze for the car to start...

BadHumans 2y ago
This is where things are headed although I'm not sure it will be dystopian as you imagine. There is not point in requiring digital ID for a breathalyzer.
dheera 2y ago
Except Google Wallet doesn't let me use these features anyway because I have a rooted device
reaperducer 2y ago
and breathalyze for the car to start This is old tech. I had a boss in the 90's who had an ignition interlock thing on his car and it wouldn't start unless he blew clean. I found out about it when he was trying to find someone at work to blow into it so he could go home. It wasn't until a couple of days later that I put it together that he managed to get so drunk during working hours that he couldn't drive himself home.
- mixmastamyk 2y ago
  That part is mature, but Google/Apple being the only supported way to unlock it? Priceless.
- giantg2 2y ago
  Yeah, but it's not mandatory on every new car. It very well could be in the future. In fact, one of the laws over the past few years set a mandate on new cars detecting drunk drivers in the future. They're currently working on less intrusive versions that passively scan the air or your hands on the wheel.
  - neuralRiot 2y ago
    Unless there’s breakthrough development on alcohol sensors i doubt it, they need periodic calibration to be precise also it’s not just a matter of “blowing” you need to blow-suck-hum for it to read.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      Many states have mandatory inspections that could fill that role. As I said, they are currently testing cabin air and steering wheel sensors for drunk driving detection.
      - neuralRiot 2y ago
        >cabin air and steering wheel sensors for drunk driving detection. Hand sanitizer, fragrances trip interlock breathalyzers all the time, I wonder what could possibly go wrong? Also who’s gonna pay for the towing and the reset/ recalibration after a false positive and why?
        giantg2 2y ago
        I'm not saying it's a good idea, I'm just saying that it is being pushed at the federal level. Automatic braking has had some issues, but that's become mandatory as well. No reason to think they'll stop just for false positives.

elicash 2y ago

I think it could depend on the protections Google (and Apple) puts on this type of thing. You could imagine a scenario where putting a phone into driver's license mode disables Face Unlock, and maybe even pauses all push notifications like text messages, and therefore is more secure because it forces people to put their phone into a password mode. So it'd actually encourage people, when talking to law enforcement, to increase their security settings. I don't know if these companies currently do it like this, but they should.

barkerja 2y ago
Apple's approach with Wallet is to allow the transmission of (selective) ID data without fully unlocking your phone. I believe it's the same as when you tap to pay using a credit card in your wallet. You must provide passcode/biometrics when requested, but that does not unlock your device.

bryanlarsen 2y ago

You should never need to hand your phone over for any other usage of Google Wallet, so hopefully most people realize that they shouldn't hand it over for this ever.

raldi 2y ago

"You don't need to unlock, show, or hand over your device to present your license or ID." https://support.apple.com/en-us/118237 https://support.apple.com/en-us/118237

modeless 2y ago

You'll be happy to know that the UI for this prominently states that you should not hand your phone to the person requesting ID. ID information is not shown on your screen. It's sent via Bluetooth after an NFC tap and a confirmation dialog.

puppycodes 2y ago
"my nfc reader is down, unlock your phone" -- every cop
- modeless 2y ago
  Yeah I was disappointed to see that while the ID information is hidden by default you can actually bring it up on screen in a buried menu. If they were serious they would have made it so the information can never show on the screen of the device that holds the ID.
- bigfatkitten 2y ago
  Cop during a traffic stop: "I need to take this back to my car to run some checks."