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Blood Disorder: Unveiling the Mystery of My Poisoning in Sweden
- RicoElectrico 2y agoThis is deeply fucked up. Especially the fact that she was not charged.
- ekelsen 2y agoYeah. Did they test the bottle they found? Were there others? Seems crazy to not even charge and have a trial.
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- rfl890 2y agoDoes this blog have heavy javascript? It's quite laggy for me.
- hilux 2y agoNo issues for me.
- gizajob 2y agoI’m sorry to hear the writer married an actual psychopath. There’s more of them around than one would imagine. I’m confused about the lack of charges though - in the UK this seems like it could come under Actual Bodily Harm or even attempted murder. Certainly a crime of that kind has been committed and the intent is there, even if the method wasn’t particularly effective. I realise the system of public law in Nordic countries is quite different to the UK though - there was enough evidence for it to go to court so it shouldn’t be up to the public prosecutor to decide. Putting this to a judge and jury would be sufficient for the jury to join the dots and pass a guilty verdict. Circumstantial evidence isn’t worthless if there’s enough of it.
- avidiax 2y agoIt's also very concerning since the perpetrator is Chinese, so one might assume that they can disappear to China at any time if not kept in custody.
- teractiveodular 2y agoOP is likely also Chinese, since they mention planning to go to China to see specialists there.
- permo-w 2y agoOP's surname is mentioned as Tang in one of the documents
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- multjoy 2y agoYou'd charge administering a poison, s23 or s24 of the Offences Against The Person Act 1861, if there is a realistic prospect of conviction, and the prosecution will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that a) the wife administered it and b) intended to cause harm or did cause harm.
- aaron695 2y agoI don't fully understand. Death by vitamin D, not going to happen. OK, it's the potassium chloride - "Lethal intravenous injection of potassium chloride (KCl) is one of the common methods used either for suicide or homicide by the healthcare professionals." But it's also a supplement? - https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Potassium+chloride https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Potassium+chloride She was stupid by putting it in the water bottles, or it was to hide when she did it in IV fluid? It's hard to understand the game plan. Somewhat of interest Google has the helpline pop up when you search it - https://www.google.com/search?q=potassium+chloride+death https://www.google.com/search?q=potassium+chloride+death
- avidiax 2y ago> Death by vitamin D, not going to happen. Are you a doctor? Did you sleep late on the day they discussed vitamin D toxicity? [1] The dose maketh the poison. > It's hard to understand the game plan. Munchausen by proxy [2], maybe she could become a permanent resident as a widow, maybe greed/money, maybe he got the wrong flowers on her birthday and she's a psychopath. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D_toxicity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_D_toxicity [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder_imposed_on_another https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder_imposed_on...
- Terr_ 2y agoI think the most charitable explanation is that parent poster has confused Vitamin D (fat-soluble, can accumulate) with Vitamin C (water-soluble, excess easily flushed)... although that is still a rather serious error in this context.
- genewitch 2y agohis blood serum levels of vitamin D were four times the level that is considered "the absolute upper bound of safety" - he had 600ng/ml, the number i speak of is 150ng/ml. Science (from 2011 on) is pointing at ~100ng/ml to be "effective buffer / margin for hypercalcemia" - he was six times that much. and as i mentioned in a different unrelated thread, if any doctor suspected Vitamin D overdose, they would have prescribed vitamin K, which offsets the calcium "deposits".
- keiferski 2y agoMe : I’ve given you a chance before, I hoped we could discuss this privately, resolve this matter, and keep this family going. Now it seems like I’ve overestimated you. Sad story, but this guy really needs someone around him to give him a reality check and say this behavior by his wife isn’t acceptable and something you “discuss privately to keep your family together.”
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- refurb 2y agoFactual observation or hypothesizing is not victim blaming. You clearly have some sort of agenda with this comment.
- themaninthedark 2y agoThere are other comments, dead, that talk about the wife having a "female body part" pass because she is not sitting in jail. Those comments are just hypothesizing but add nothing to the conversation. Is not hypothesizing when you say it is "clear this guy is an abusive relationship. Your wife doesn’t up and poison you one day." You are accusing the guy of committing a serious crime because he was poisoned, unless you have some additional information that was not in the article I am not sure how you can reach that conclusion. There are many reasons someone's wife could poison them, aside from abuse; insurance money, having a boyfriend that you wish to elope with but fear the cultural stigma of divorce, psychosis. My only agenda is to drive exploration of ideas rather than just making blanket statements where we have no evidence to make a determination.
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- hilux 2y agoSo much about this is bizarre. What stands out for me is the author's passivity. I just don't understand it.
- AnthonBerg 2y agoI wish to offer offer the thought that it might prove difficult to remain active while poisoned for long periods of time.
- hilux 2y agoThat's a good point. But he was alert enough to set up the camera. It's an odd juxtaposition.
- AnthonBerg 2y agoAlso a good point! Looking back on a spell of weird time which was due to illness, it seems strange what one is able to do and what not. The best way to fit it into words is that it’s like parts of you are often offline, but they aren’t always offline. It’s more a fragmented existence than a constant universal everything-turned-down-by-95% factor. And it’s often the uncountable infinities of actions to take that are the most difficult. When you see something that stands out as a clear course of action, there will usually follow the capacity to act on it. (If this sort of action fails again and again, then a deep deep burnout can occur. Core systems.)
- egberts1 2y agoI agree. It shed some insight into the author's personality profile. Hope he can keep the kids after divorce.
- misja111 2y agoGood luck with that in Sweden
- Vecr 2y agoDue to being paranoid (not clinically. Probably.) I think it would have guessed something was up earlier, but most people aren't like that. Inside view vs outside view problem. "I know too much about my wife, she'd never do something like that!"
- amatecha 2y agoIt actually blows my mind how long this went on without any medical practitioners suspecting poisoning. The inexplicable vitamin D coming out of apparently nowhere? He had amounts in him that are basically impossible to have by any diet. I'm glad the culprit was "caught", but wow.
- A_D_E_P_T 2y agoThey suspected that he was taking the Vitamin D himself, as though he had Munchausen Syndrome. Hence the note about "the dramatic course of care." Poisoning with VD3 is objectively weird. It's not very effective. If she had used tetrahydrozoline eyedrops, he'd be a goner after one dose -- and, with his heart and electrolyte balance troubles, odds are that nobody would be the wiser. We therefore have to surmise that she didn't want to kill him, but wanted to keep him sick, reliant, and compliant.
- cracadumi 2y agoIn this case it's weird that she didn't want to call the ambulance when he "almost died"
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- pureheartlover 2y agoThis is such an irresponsible post to make.
- hyeonwho4 2y agoIn another post, he states that the 960 mg/l of calcium was found in his water. That would be enough to cause hypercalcemia if drinking 3 l per day, let alone 6 l.
- shiroiushi 2y agoSo I guess the lesson here is: if you want to poison your spouse, make sure you live in Sweden. If you succeed, then great! No one's the wiser, and you can keep everything. If you fail, it's not that bad: you sit in jail for a short time, and then are released without a criminal record and just have to deal with a divorce, which you would have eventually had anyway without the poisoning.
- bjornsing 2y agoI’m Swedish. I have a rather grim view of the Swedish justice system. But this surprises even me. Personally, if this happened to me and the public prosecutor dropped the case I would strongly consider “private prosecution” (“enskilt åtal”). The one piece of evidence I’m missing in the blog post though is the analysis of the contents of the small brown bottle, and the actual receipt for it. EDIT: Actually, when I think about it, it sounds improbable that the prosecutor has already decided not to press charges. In Sweden we don’t have a bail system. Most people are just released as soon as they can no longer interfere with the investigation (or continue committing crimes or flee). So it doesn’t mean much that a suspect has been released.
- jeroenhd 2y agoHow long do such cases normally take? The police records posted are dated 2022-11-29, the author should at least know if charges are being pressed. In their blog post from July, they don't seem to know of any charges: https://rattvisan.blog/2024/07/20/where-is-justice/ https://rattvisan.blog/2024/07/20/where-is-justice/
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- andrewstuart 2y agoWhat a strange post. Context only comes at the very end in the form of a discussion transcript with his wife. Can’t help feeling there’s more to this than presented. And besides, Drinking 10 litres of water a day has to be bad for you doesn’t it?
- yungporko 2y agoi'm no doctor but drinking loads of water makes sense to me if the goal is to flush out excess minerals?
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- justinclift 2y agoThere's a post after the linked one, though it's written in Chinese. This is the Google Translate link for an english translation: https://rattvisan-blog.translate.goog/2024/08/26/%e6%b7%b1%e5%85%a5%e6%b5%85%e5%87%ba-%e7%bb%b4%e4%bb%96%e5%91%bd-d-%e4%b8%ad%e6%af%92%e4%b8%8e%e9%ab%98%e9%92%99%e8%a1%80%e7%97%87/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US https://rattvisan-blog.translate.goog/2024/08/26/%e6%b7%b1%e...
- guerrilla 2y ago> The doctor wrote in the my medical journal: “During his hospitalization, he took medication on time, and even without IV fluid therapy, his blood calcium levels were normal. However, once he returned home, his blood calcium levels became elevated. It is evident that he did not adhere to the medication schedule at home as instructed.” This is so typical of Swedish doctors. If something doesn't work, it's ALWAYS the patient's fault. If they don't know what a problem, it's ALWAYS psychosomatic. This guy is just lucky the latter is literally impossible in this case. Also, for all the people assuming the case was dropped just because she was released, that may not be the case. People are often (most of the time?) released before trial here. It seems like OP hasn't updated enough for us to know whether it's prosecuted or not. It definitely seems like something that would be.
- mft_ 2y ago> > The doctor wrote in the my medical journal: “During his hospitalization, he took medication on time, and even without IV fluid therapy, his blood calcium levels were normal. However, once he returned home, his blood calcium levels became elevated. It is evident that he did not adhere to the medication schedule at home as instructed.” > This is so typical of Swedish doctors. If something doesn't work, it's ALWAYS the patient's fault. If they don't know what a problem, it's ALWAYS psychosomatic. This guy is just lucky the latter is literally impossible in this case. Eh, what are the options in this situation, at that point? 1) Some undiscovered underlying issue and not adhering to medication schedule 2) Self-poisoning 3) Poisoning #1 is probably thousands of times more likely than #2 or #3 - it's not unreasonable that a doctor initially goes with the far more likely assumption. Honestly, I was pretty impressed that his doctors didn't lose patience with him given the many repeated issues he faced - irrespective of what they might have thought, his care appeared to be very good indeed.
- guerrilla 2y ago> Eh, what are the options in this situation, at that point? How about not lying. If you don't know, just say you don't know instead of making shit up. > Honestly, I was pretty impressed that his doctors didn't lose patience with him given the many repeated issues he faced - irrespective of what they might have thought, his care appeared to be very good indeed. This is the law here. It has nothing to do with the doctor.
- dsign 2y agoAs somebody who dreads relationships, commitments and marriages and who is being wooed by somebody with Kim's profile, I find this story double-disturbing. Criminal angle aside, I wonder what kind of personal fuck-ups end with a partner hating the other so much as to want to kill them, but yet end in a situation where that's preferable to a divorce. Maybe home loans and living space? Those last two are a serious concern in Sweden, where a well-paid professional often can't afford more than a few square meters of living space.... Joint debts or properties? Kids? Anything else you can think of that it's best to avoid?
- CRConrad 2y ago> I wonder what kind of personal fuck-ups end with a partner hating the other so much as to want to kill them, but yet end in a situation where that's preferable to a divorce. > Maybe home loans and living space? Those last two are a serious concern in Sweden, where a well-paid professional often can't afford more than a few square meters of living space.... Joint debts or properties? Kids? At a guess, that last lies closest to hand. The usual toxic "Gotta stay together for the kids!" mindset, and if that's not possible, culminating in it somehow being "better" (or "more honourable", perhaps?) to be a single widowed mother than a single divorced mother.
- hyeonwho4 2y agoLife insurance? Retirement funds? Perhaps she wanted to be able to take their child back to China? As a more general point I would strongly advise against forming a permanent union with someone you cannot trust implicitly, or who does not share your values and goals. Such relationships are doomed to fail eventually, and the time wasted would be better spent trying to find a better partner. Also, when you do find the better partner, it will be obvious and you will be grateful for it. In my case, I had some trouble trusting a previous relationship with my finances. I hid the size of my life insurance and retirement plans, didn't want to combine bank accounts, was doubtful that they would take care of my parents if something happened to me, etc. In retrospect there were reasons I didn't feel comfortable, and that was predictive of the outcome of the relationship. My current partner and spouse is much more obviously trustworthy and has my best interest at heart. I don't feel uncomfortable that my they know everything or could spend all my money, because I know their personality and values and know that they won't. Hell, they even told me to not keep them on life support because they wouldn't want to burden me. (I would anyway as long as there was a chance, because I really value someone like that.) To summarize, if you think you have to preemptively defend yourself against malicious behavior by your partner, you obviously have the wrong partner. I wish you the best of luck in finding a better one.
- YeGoblynQueenne 2y agoCan I voice some doubts without being browbeaten into silence, please? First, it seems the main health complaints of the husband, excess vitamin D and hypercalcemia (excess Ca, calcium) are both unrelated to the wife's spiking of his drinking water with potassium (according to their conversation towards the end) which instead can cause hyperkalemia (excess K, potassium). Wikipedia tells me that hypercalcemia is a symptom of sarcoidosis, which the husband suffered from in 2018, early in the events described in the post so it can be explained without recourse to poisoning, certainly not with potassium. Excess vitamin D is hard to explain, especially in Sweden (!) but it's hard to see how it could be caused by taking potassium. Hyperkalemia is a dangerous condition that could be fatal for a man with heart and kidney problems, like the author, but I can't find it mentioned anywhere in the post, or in the images of clinical notes. This suggests to me that whatever substance the wife was spiking the husband's water with (e.g. KCl, potassium chloride, a table salt alternative that can very easily be bought on and offline) it was not enough to cause any detectable change in blood tests etc. Consequently it doesn't seem like it could have anything to do with the husband's health complaints. Which were many and varied and described in minute detail, complete with a plethora of images of medical devices and material. This is the second reason that I'm doubtful about the husband's account. On the one hand it's written as if by an aspiring writer of crime novels, with a dramatic inversion of real time events, starting from the arrest of the wife and not making it quite clear what is going on until the very end and the discussion between the pair. On the other hand, most of the medical conditions described seem to have nothing to do with the spiking of the husband's water with potassium, so why are they given so much space? The husband seems to be blaming the wife for everything that is going wrong with his health, but how many of those medical issues are symptoms of sarcoidosis, which he suffers from? The style of writing makes it very hard for me to trust the author is giving a straight and honest account of events from his point of view. If the purpose of the post is to give a clear account of what the husband believes happened then it falls far short of the clarity that would be achieved by a straightforward telling of events in the order in which they happened and without details of no obvious relevance. There can be many reasons for publishing that kind of text on the internet, such as plain bad taste, but among the many explanations is, indeed, "Factitious disorder imposed on self" (a.k.a. Munchausen Syndrome) or in any case a very strong desire to present oneself as a victim of nefarious actions, for psychological reasons. In any case what I have just read is a dramatic telling of a story from the point of view of a person that is clearly in ill health. I have no idea what happened, to whom, and for what reasons, let alone whether this was really an instance of deliberate poisoning. The dialogue between the pair towards the end makes both spouses look a bit unhinged. The situation is far from normal and drawing any conclusion is very hard.
- ansc 2y agoWhat is this doing on HN? It might be ramblings of a mentally ill person too. I'm sure there's more than meets the eye, as it usually is in these situations. The wife was adding potassium to the water, and he was on potassium medication. Somethings rotten in the state of Sweden.
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- Hikikomori 2y agoOne of them comments right here.
- skylurk 2y agoHonestly its easier to point out the ones that aren't... https://news.ycombinator.com/highlights https://news.ycombinator.com/highlights
- alkonaut 2y agoHow is something rotten? We are only seeing one side of this story, true, but it sure looks like a crime and smells like a crime.
- ansc 2y ago>it sure looks like a crime and smells like a crime yes, exactly! and charges were not pursued. you'd expect the documents surrounding that to be shared in that case too. but alas... the specialist doctor says it's highly unlikely anything was added to the IV. i'm obviously not saying "there's no crime", i'm saying that it makes sense to treat it with suspicion even though I got really hooked on the writing. as such, what's it doing on HN? I'm not sure it gratifies one's intellectual curiosity, it's gossip and emotions.
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- mensetmanusman 2y agoThis is crazy. Just watched Sixth Sense and the scene where the dad catches the mom poisoning their daughter this way is intense.
- eth0up 2y agoWhen I was in my teens, I lived in a foster home and had, what I suppose you might say, a foster sibling. This sibling, who despite doing some wicked things, I still reserve some admiration and affection for, though their status beyond some very serious legal troubles has remained unknown to me for many years. I was, at some point, poisoned. With what, I never discovered. But I do remember the effects, which were extremely difficult. Extreme fatigue, disorientation and a very persistent, strange metallic essence present in the mouth and sinuses for weeks or months. If it were only these symptoms alone, I'd have never suspected anything, despite the 'sibling's' known and well exhibited tendencies for cruelty. At the age of, perhaps 17, I asked for help shaving my head, which was abundant with hair. We were both surprised to see that an inch of the growth, closest to the scalp, was solid gray. This is quite freakish for a teenager, and none of those who witnessed it failed to be astonished. I still remember the reaction as we made the observation during the haircut, which gave a slight impression of 'oh shit... Did I go too far? Oh well...' <Smirk>. I've been through too much since to know why or what ails me presently, and I'm sure there are many factors, but my health is pretty damn complicated. This shit does happen.
- yobbo 2y agoIn the video clip (2021-07-23), it looks like a powder is added to the water, and the small bottle is emptied. It seems the small bottle is just used for keeping in her pocket, and she might refill it during the day. He might have received a cocktail of things through various foods and drinks. Vitamin D through cooking/chili oils seems worth investigating? Though it might be impossible to prove she did it.
- magnustree 2y agoIt is sad that the perpetrator still works in Google Sweden.