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“Worthless” is quite a strong claim. There isn’t much work I’ve encountered that’s truly “worthless”, even though bad work can make me quite upset. Anyways, tha

“Worthless” is quite a strong claim. There isn’t much work I’ve encountered that’s truly “worthless”, even though bad work can make me quite upset. Anyways, that’s why I would often caveat.

stackskipton 2y ago
I'll say they are worthless because most of time they are dragging time away from things that could improve security. For example, $LastJob we spent a ton of time on SOC2 compliance and despite having applications with known vulnerabilities, we got hacked and ended up all over the news. Maybe of instead of spending all the time getting SOC2 compliance finished, we could have worked at upgrading those apps. Actually, I doubt they would have upgraded the apps and pocketed the profits instead but SOC2 is providing cover instead of real change.
- james_marks 2y ago
  SOC2 covers a set of vectors (mostly social/separation of controls from what I’ve seen), and you were attacked on another vector. Maybe the org prioritized poorly and sucks overall, but that doesn’t mean SOC2 or compliance generally is worthless.
  - stackskipton 2y ago
    >SOC2 covers a set of vectors (mostly social/separation of controls from what I’ve seen) THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. My bad, I thought most hacks were due poor software management but I'm glad SOC2 truly addressed the real problem.
    - pinkmuffinere 2y ago
      I don’t understand your hostility. Internet strangers are responding to your comments in good faith.
  - more_corn 2y ago
    In this particular case it was worthless. If you have known vulnerabilities and you deprioritize that work to waste time on soc2, and get hacked because of it… soc2 was worthless. Because the whole point is security assurance. When you get hacked you’ve proved the opposite of security assurance. But also you gotta have the balls to stand up to the guy pushing soc2 and say. No. There are known vulnerabilities. We are patching those first then we are doing soc2. The way I frame it is “we know we have critical vulnerabilities, we don’t need to go hunting for more till we fix them. Once we fix them we go looking for other ways to improve security posture” And if the ceo still insists (big client requires it so we’re doing soc2 simultaneously) you say fine, then hire a security consultant so we can go twice as fast. And if he refuses you quit because fuck that place.
- more_corn 2y ago
  That’s some bad prioritizing there Lou.
brohee 2y ago
Mandatory audits by accredited auditors in order to participate in a market, inevitably create a market for accredited auditors that don't uncover too much but ensure all checkboxes are ticked. Much of the security industry is actually selling CYA and not actual security. The same dynamic at play means buyiong a home/boat/car you should get your own inspector, not blindly trust the seller's.

stackskipton 2y ago

I'll say they are worthless because most of time they are dragging time away from things that could improve security. For example, $LastJob we spent a ton of time on SOC2 compliance and despite having applications with known vulnerabilities, we got hacked and ended up all over the news. Maybe of instead of spending all the time getting SOC2 compliance finished, we could have worked at upgrading those apps. Actually, I doubt they would have upgraded the apps and pocketed the profits instead but SOC2 is providing cover instead of real change.

james_marks 2y ago
SOC2 covers a set of vectors (mostly social/separation of controls from what I’ve seen), and you were attacked on another vector. Maybe the org prioritized poorly and sucks overall, but that doesn’t mean SOC2 or compliance generally is worthless.
- stackskipton 2y ago
  >SOC2 covers a set of vectors (mostly social/separation of controls from what I’ve seen) THAT WAS THE PROBLEM. My bad, I thought most hacks were due poor software management but I'm glad SOC2 truly addressed the real problem.
  - pinkmuffinere 2y ago
    I don’t understand your hostility. Internet strangers are responding to your comments in good faith.
- more_corn 2y ago
  In this particular case it was worthless. If you have known vulnerabilities and you deprioritize that work to waste time on soc2, and get hacked because of it… soc2 was worthless. Because the whole point is security assurance. When you get hacked you’ve proved the opposite of security assurance. But also you gotta have the balls to stand up to the guy pushing soc2 and say. No. There are known vulnerabilities. We are patching those first then we are doing soc2. The way I frame it is “we know we have critical vulnerabilities, we don’t need to go hunting for more till we fix them. Once we fix them we go looking for other ways to improve security posture” And if the ceo still insists (big client requires it so we’re doing soc2 simultaneously) you say fine, then hire a security consultant so we can go twice as fast. And if he refuses you quit because fuck that place.
more_corn 2y ago
That’s some bad prioritizing there Lou.

brohee 2y ago

Mandatory audits by accredited auditors in order to participate in a market, inevitably create a market for accredited auditors that don't uncover too much but ensure all checkboxes are ticked. Much of the security industry is actually selling CYA and not actual security. The same dynamic at play means buyiong a home/boat/car you should get your own inspector, not blindly trust the seller's.