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If you had ended that with "Twitter" (or "X"), rather than "Brazilian Supreme Court", the comment would have read just as credibly.
by wewtyflakes 2y ago
If you had ended that with "Twitter" (or "X"), rather than "Brazilian Supreme Court", the comment would have read just as credibly.
- hexage1814 2y ago[flagged]
- decremental 2y ago[flagged]
- wewtyflakes 2y agoI am not equating the power or effects of the two, I am equating the sentence regarding abuse of power (that you said).
- scarab92 2y agoTwitter/X is easily has the lightest touch of the major social media networks. I don’t know why you thought it was sensible to mention two opposite ends of the abuse of power spectrum as comparable.
- wewtyflakes 2y agoA local sharp power versus a global soft power? Seems like an interesting comparison within the context of a reply to: "Maybe this way more people will wake up to all the abuses...". It is interesting because it is a contrast, yet still makes sense.
- gchamonlive 2y agoIf you mean the aftermath of January 8th 2023, that is an absurdly dishonest comment. Nothing in that frustrated coup d'etat attempt can be remotely seen as a protest.
- ekianjo 2y agoyou do a coup d etat by trespassing in a building without weapons? in which dimension does this work?
- gchamonlive 2y agohttps://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/condenado-por-armar-bomba-no-aeroporto-do-df-nega-relacao-do-episodio-com-o-8-de-janeiro/ https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/politica/condenado-por-armar-bo... https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/14/americas/brazil-congress-riots-timeline-intl-latam/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/14/americas/brazil-congress-... Couldn't find a translation for the first one, but in a gist you don't need to when, first the GSI is complacent in the coup and when there would have been a bombing attack.
- matheusmoreira 2y agoBrazilians have occupied Brasília and Palácio do Planato many times before. In 2016, for example, after Dilma was impeached. Now it's a coup d'etat? Come on now.
- surgical_fire 2y agoThose events were very different. In 2016 the protesters were not attempting a coup. They, perhaps, should still be charged with damaging public infrastructure (which has much lighter sentences). Equating those two events mean you are either arguing in bad faith, or you disagree that what happened in Jan 8th was a coup attempt (which is simply denying facts)
- matheusmoreira 2y agoYou bet I disagree. You simply cannot convince me that elderly folks with bibles and flags were attempting a coup d'etat. It's funny. The 2016 people also claimed that Dilma's impeachment was a coup. They still claim that, to this day. Everything in this country is a coup apparently. Everything but the supreme court giving itself limitless powers and becoming a political party made up of unelected officials.
- dyauspitr 2y agoBy protest do you mean a coup d’etat? Treason is still punishable by death even in the United States. Sounds like those “protestors” were given a light sentence.
- anigbrowl 2y ago'a protest' doing a lot of work here. https://apnews.com/article/brazil-bolsonaro-supporter-riot-capital-sentenced-prison-df66a030fd62fe873584a4c582863b48 https://apnews.com/article/brazil-bolsonaro-supporter-riot-c...
- nightvox 2y agoIt's very easy to speak about things you don't know based on a newspaper article, especially when that newspaper is obviously biased. Just look at the site's news about Bolsonaro. All the news that criticizes Bolsonaro has not been proven true or did not reach a conclusion; in other words, they were proven to be purely political narratives. It's hard to argue these points. Everything the Brazilian Supreme Court has done is illegal. A Supreme Court that initiates investigations on its own, is an interested party, and at the same time is the judge. In other words, everything is wrong, everything is illegal. Purely political judgments, typical of dictatorships. Many of the people who were arrested in Brasília were trying to prevent others from committing acts of vandalism or damaging public property. In other words, the trial was done in groups, something the Brazilian Constitution does not allow; it was not individualized in any way to establish individual responsibilities. Not to mention that most of the people there were in favor of the military taking power, contrary to what Bolsonaro advised. Many thought Bolsonaro was too weak, and that’s why they were there protesting, asking the military to take over the government. Saying that Bolsonaro was responsible for those movements is pure lies. It is just an argument that the Supreme Court wants to use against Bolsonaro so that he can somehow be imprisoned, but he is very popular, and not even the Supreme Court can arrest Bolsonaro because there is no real reason. The most ridiculous thing is that well-educated people, because people who read Hacker News are well-educated, let themselves be carried away by these childish narratives.
- surgical_fire 2y ago"a protest". A coup attempt is a lot more than a protest. Honestly, I think the sentences are being too light, especially considering they can leave prison much earlier than that (I am unsure of for this crime it is after a third or a sixth of the sentence).
- chihwei 2y agoSo what crime did X commit to? Or it refused to censor your opponent and made you angry?
- gchamonlive 2y agohttps://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65246394 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65246394 But I guess the rules play differently when you are a billionaire, so here we are.
- chihwei 2y agoSo you think it's a crime to allow people speak things you don't like?
- Kamq 2y agoIn a lot of places? Yeah. Like super illegal (felony level)
- gchamonlive 2y agohttps://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/united-nations-and-hate-speech/international-human-rights-law https://www.un.org/en/hate-speech/united-nations-and-hate-sp... > While certain restrictions on freedom of expression may be motivated by principles of equality and non-discrimination, “direct and public incitement to genocide” and “advocacy of national, racial or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence” are strictly prohibited under international law, and are considered the “severest forms of hate speech”.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoThere’s no legitimate definition of hate speech. It’s just an ever expansive label used to undermine political speech and justify censorship or criminal charges. Free speech is the most fundamental civil liberty. Also no one cares what the UN’s “international law” is. They just all support it or ignore it as convenient, because it means nothing.
- GolfPopper 2y agoAgreed. If someone wanted to find a bloody shirt to wave to bring attention to real abuses, Elon Musk's failing $44 billion-dollar tantrum is probably among the least sympathetic victims imaginable.
- raxxorraxor 2y agoHaving content on their site that you might not like isn't really comparable. It is sensible to be suspicious of Musk perhaps, but the current hatred of him is as disconcerting as the former glorification. I think one could expect a bit of self-reflection to not have states shut down online spaces. And that is true for those that I do not personally like as well.