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If Telegram is not end to end encrypted, then intelligence agencies already have the information they claim to be seeking. Therefore the only purpose of this p

If Telegram is not end to end encrypted, then intelligence agencies already have the information they claim to be seeking. Therefore the only purpose of this prosecution is to get Durov to toe the line. The fact that this is happening just before the US elections is not a coincidence. Add to this the synchronised anti-Telegram propaganda from BBC, DW, French media. He’s being told to play ball or else.

janalsncm 2y ago
Not sure I understand your reasoning here. It’s illegal to host CSAM and enable organized crime. The fact it wasn’t encrypted just means Telegram doesn’t have plausible deniability.
- SanjayMehta 2y ago
  My key point is the synchronised propaganda by western media, and the timing of this action against Telegram. Very convenient. I’m not surprised that I’m being down voted for pointing this out.
  - janalsncm 2y ago
    I don’t know what you mean by “synchronized propaganda”. There’s a lot to dislike about Telegram. They are in the middle of pretty much every kind of illegal activity you can think of. So it’s not true to say that only intelligence agencies could have an interest in taking them down. You are likely being downvoted because your argument contains a hidden but incorrect premise that the only reason a platform CEO would be arrested is for national security reasons. From that (false) premise it would follow that since he isn’t being arrested for national security reasons, his arrest was unjust.
    - SanjayMehta 2y ago
      Mike Benz’s take. https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1828918312069128268 https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1828918312069128268
      - janalsncm 2y ago
        Thanks for the link. It seems Tucker Carlson is making the same incorrect fundamental assumption I mentioned. Unless he establishes it at some point, I don’t see any reason not to dismiss the whole thing out of hand. I don’t see anyone in the Twitter replies pointing it out, likely because Elon’s algorithm suppresses dissenting voices.
e-clinton 2y ago
How would intelligence agencies already the info they seek? Not having E2E encryption isn’t the same as not having encryption at all. You could easily keep law enforcement out while you maintain access to the data internally.
- derangedHorse 2y ago
  This. Durov made his service such that only his company could see (and potentially abuse) the data, but people seem to have been under the false assumption that Telegram has better safeguards against that than other messaging apps when they don’t. In exchange for this power, Durov is held liable for the crimes he gave himself the right to eavesdrop on so none of this is all that surprising to me.

janalsncm 2y ago

Not sure I understand your reasoning here. It’s illegal to host CSAM and enable organized crime. The fact it wasn’t encrypted just means Telegram doesn’t have plausible deniability.

SanjayMehta 2y ago
My key point is the synchronised propaganda by western media, and the timing of this action against Telegram. Very convenient. I’m not surprised that I’m being down voted for pointing this out.
- janalsncm 2y ago
  I don’t know what you mean by “synchronized propaganda”. There’s a lot to dislike about Telegram. They are in the middle of pretty much every kind of illegal activity you can think of. So it’s not true to say that only intelligence agencies could have an interest in taking them down. You are likely being downvoted because your argument contains a hidden but incorrect premise that the only reason a platform CEO would be arrested is for national security reasons. From that (false) premise it would follow that since he isn’t being arrested for national security reasons, his arrest was unjust.
  - SanjayMehta 2y ago
    Mike Benz’s take. https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1828918312069128268 https://x.com/tuckercarlson/status/1828918312069128268
    - janalsncm 2y ago
      Thanks for the link. It seems Tucker Carlson is making the same incorrect fundamental assumption I mentioned. Unless he establishes it at some point, I don’t see any reason not to dismiss the whole thing out of hand. I don’t see anyone in the Twitter replies pointing it out, likely because Elon’s algorithm suppresses dissenting voices.

e-clinton 2y ago

How would intelligence agencies already the info they seek? Not having E2E encryption isn’t the same as not having encryption at all. You could easily keep law enforcement out while you maintain access to the data internally.

derangedHorse 2y ago
This. Durov made his service such that only his company could see (and potentially abuse) the data, but people seem to have been under the false assumption that Telegram has better safeguards against that than other messaging apps when they don’t. In exchange for this power, Durov is held liable for the crimes he gave himself the right to eavesdrop on so none of this is all that surprising to me.