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> The method and actor are irrelevant. That may be what you mostly care about, but it is definitely not true in deciding legal questions.

muzani 2y ago
I'm sure the law can care about such things, e.g. why we have homicide, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter.
- staunton 2y ago
  That's exactly what I said?!
Aeolun 2y ago
I'm fairly certain that's often a deciding factor in legal questions? If your originally produced content, without ever having seen the other thing, is substantially similar to something that already exists, you are much more likely to be in trouble (in the sense that someone will take issue, not in the sense that you can be convicted) than if you copied something existing, and transformed it into something unrecognizable.
- staunton 2y ago
  You're the second person who understood the opposite of what I said. I'm not a native so can you tell why what I said was ambiguous or contrary to my intended meaning?
paulddraper 2y ago
That's an absurd point of view and leads to "what color are my bytes"
- TheDong 2y ago
  Yes. And since we're talking about a legal matter, the color of your bits matters quite a bit: https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
  - paulddraper 2y ago
    That article makes an unrealted point. > They provide information on that site about when the Sun rises and sets and so on... but they also provide it under a disclaimer saying that this information is not suitable for use in court. If you need to know when the Sun rose or set for use in a court case, then you need an expert witness - because you don't actually just need the bits that say when the Sun rose. You need those bits to be Coloured with the Colour that allows them to be admissible in court, and the USNO doesn't provide that....It's a question of where the numbers came from. That's just saying that your bits have to be authenticated/verified to be accepted as accurate. Which makes sense and is entirely different than "your bits are illegal and your other identical bits are legal."
    - TheDong 2y ago
      > your bits are illegal and your other identical bits are legal That happens all the time though. If I rip a copy of a movie for backup purposes, that rip is legal. If I upload a torrent of it, the exact same bits on my disk are now illegal distribution of a copyrighted work. If I am the artist who owns the copyright of the work, my bits can legally be redistributed. The intent and legal status of the bits matters in a ton of cases.

muzani 2y ago

I'm sure the law can care about such things, e.g. why we have homicide, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter.

staunton 2y ago
That's exactly what I said?!

Aeolun 2y ago

I'm fairly certain that's often a deciding factor in legal questions? If your originally produced content, without ever having seen the other thing, is substantially similar to something that already exists, you are much more likely to be in trouble (in the sense that someone will take issue, not in the sense that you can be convicted) than if you copied something existing, and transformed it into something unrecognizable.

staunton 2y ago
You're the second person who understood the opposite of what I said. I'm not a native so can you tell why what I said was ambiguous or contrary to my intended meaning?

paulddraper 2y ago

That's an absurd point of view and leads to "what color are my bytes"

TheDong 2y ago
Yes. And since we're talking about a legal matter, the color of your bits matters quite a bit: https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23 https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/23
- paulddraper 2y ago
  That article makes an unrealted point. > They provide information on that site about when the Sun rises and sets and so on... but they also provide it under a disclaimer saying that this information is not suitable for use in court. If you need to know when the Sun rose or set for use in a court case, then you need an expert witness - because you don't actually just need the bits that say when the Sun rose. You need those bits to be Coloured with the Colour that allows them to be admissible in court, and the USNO doesn't provide that....It's a question of where the numbers came from. That's just saying that your bits have to be authenticated/verified to be accepted as accurate. Which makes sense and is entirely different than "your bits are illegal and your other identical bits are legal."
  - TheDong 2y ago
    > your bits are illegal and your other identical bits are legal That happens all the time though. If I rip a copy of a movie for backup purposes, that rip is legal. If I upload a torrent of it, the exact same bits on my disk are now illegal distribution of a copyrighted work. If I am the artist who owns the copyright of the work, my bits can legally be redistributed. The intent and legal status of the bits matters in a ton of cases.