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The original text stated: > I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until h

The original text stated: > I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until his 3-month ban expires and ask him for advice? Currently, the text reads: > This post was flagged by the community and is temporarily hidden. Since it has been hidden for more than 24 hours, this suggests that a moderator action has marked it as permanently hidden. Due to a recent decision, this means no one outside of the moderators or admins can view it: https://discuss.python.org/t/moderated-posts-are-no-longer-publicly-visible/61648 https://discuss.python.org/t/moderated-posts-are-no-longer-p... Edit: I meant to post slightly more direct link in title: https://discuss.python.org/t/should-we-consider-ranked-choice-voting-for-sc-elections/61880/6 https://discuss.python.org/t/should-we-consider-ranked-choic... Edit 2: Some comments suggest that Guido was banned from posting, but this is not accurate. I have edited the title from "Guido van Rossum's Post Removed for Violating Python Community Guidelines" to "A Post by Guido van Rossum Removed for Violating Python Community Guidelines" to clarify what actually happened.

_0ffh 2y ago
> this means no one outside of the moderators or admins can view it Imo that kind of deliberate intransparency is a massive red flag. Here for example I can choose to see hidden comments and make up my own mind about the content, which is excellent. Even if I don't use the feature, the fact that I could if I wanted to is a massive plus for trust in the process.
EvanAnderson 2y ago
I'm an outsider who only knows Guido van Rossum by way of interviews his writing. Assuming your quote is what the original text said (I don't disbelieve you-- but nobody can see it to confirm) why would this have violated community standards? Is there some rule about not mentioning "un-persons" or something? It's very confusing. Edit: Answering my own question. There appears to be a kerfuffle afoot. Apparently the Steering Council has suspended a core developer for 3 months[0] but isn't naming the suspended developer or citing specific reasons why (per [1] and sparking a call for a vote of no confidence in the council which did not succeed). Apparently even mentioning the suspended person (without naming them) is enough for even Guido van Rossum to be censored. Wow. Edit 2: The suspended developer is Tim Peters[3]. Edit 3: Altered paragraph "Edit:" from "...or the reason why[1] (" to "...or citing specific reasons why (per [1]". Edit 4: Added "which did not succeed" after "...vote of no confidence in the council". [0] https://discuss.python.org/t/three-month-suspension-for-a-core-developer/60250 https://discuss.python.org/t/three-month-suspension-for-a-co... [1] https://discuss.python.org/t/calling-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence/61557 https://discuss.python.org/t/calling-for-a-vote-of-no-confid... [3] https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestration-of-tim https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestr...
- mc32 2y ago
  What the hell, has everyone caught and gone gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f*** is this? How in the hell do you have the balls or ovaries to ban the creator --for something so inane. It's like a highscool supe who gets no respect and will at every chance show you the little power she has in such a classless way. So utterly petty defying belief. I hope those dweebs get voted out pronto. That's an absurd abuse of power. People who trip like that have no business having any power or control.
  - khazhoux 2y ago
    > gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f** is this? Unintenti**l irony
    - mc32 2y ago
      I hope that's just a rib. Else, one should be able to tell self control over stamping authority over others. Very few people openly speak their inner monologue, uncensored just releasing their stream of consciousness like a delirious hobo down a stench filled alleyway.
      - beedeebeedee 2y ago
        I speak my "inner monologue" and it is nothing like delirium or stench. Not sure who you are or who you're hanging out with, but better to get the stench out than let it fester.
      - khazhoux 2y ago
        It was funny that you censored yourself, in a comment about censorship, that's all :-)
      - plg94 2y ago
        You did have any opportunity to rewrite your sentence to use any other word than f**, one that did not require self-censoring. Yet you did not. Why?
    - 2y ago
rdtsc 2y ago
Wonder if the moderators heard about the Streisand Effect. It’s a good time to learn about it. > I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until his 3-month ban expires and ask him for advice? So he was banned for asking about someone who knows about voting. Transitive meta banning? I guess anyone asking about Guido’s post will also get banned.
lupire 2y ago
Your two versions of the title say the same thing.
Lockal 2y ago
This post was unflagged few moments ago, also received 20 likes (from 7 to 27) for last hour.
- oblvious-earth 2y ago
  Thanks for the update, unfortunately I can no longer edit my top comment or title to reflect this. Would be happy for admin to do so, if that's something that's done on this site.
- srid 2y ago
  Probably because it gained attention on HN? The same cannot be said for in-numerous other acts of flagging and hiding. Almost all posts from Clay in this thread has been flagged and hidden; you can't even make sense of Guido's replies to him because of that. https://discuss.python.org/t/approval-voting-vs-instant-runoff-voting-condorcet-etc/62142 https://discuss.python.org/t/approval-voting-vs-instant-runo...
  - Izkata 2y ago
    Looks like they were restored right after you posted this link.
rich_sasha 2y ago
Are we all going to get banned for mentioning a post that mentions a ban?
Dotnaught 2y ago
FWIW, the post appears to have been restored. The cited original text is visible presently.

_0ffh 2y ago

> this means no one outside of the moderators or admins can view it Imo that kind of deliberate intransparency is a massive red flag. Here for example I can choose to see hidden comments and make up my own mind about the content, which is excellent. Even if I don't use the feature, the fact that I could if I wanted to is a massive plus for trust in the process.

EvanAnderson 2y ago

I'm an outsider who only knows Guido van Rossum by way of interviews his writing. Assuming your quote is what the original text said (I don't disbelieve you-- but nobody can see it to confirm) why would this have violated community standards? Is there some rule about not mentioning "un-persons" or something? It's very confusing. Edit: Answering my own question. There appears to be a kerfuffle afoot. Apparently the Steering Council has suspended a core developer for 3 months[0] but isn't naming the suspended developer or citing specific reasons why (per [1] and sparking a call for a vote of no confidence in the council which did not succeed). Apparently even mentioning the suspended person (without naming them) is enough for even Guido van Rossum to be censored. Wow. Edit 2: The suspended developer is Tim Peters[3]. Edit 3: Altered paragraph "Edit:" from "...or the reason why[1] (" to "...or citing specific reasons why (per [1]". Edit 4: Added "which did not succeed" after "...vote of no confidence in the council". [0] https://discuss.python.org/t/three-month-suspension-for-a-core-developer/60250 https://discuss.python.org/t/three-month-suspension-for-a-co... [1] https://discuss.python.org/t/calling-for-a-vote-of-no-confidence/61557 https://discuss.python.org/t/calling-for-a-vote-of-no-confid... [3] https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestration-of-tim https://chrismcdonough.substack.com/p/the-shameful-defenestr...

mc32 2y ago
What the hell, has everyone caught and gone gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f*** is this? How in the hell do you have the balls or ovaries to ban the creator --for something so inane. It's like a highscool supe who gets no respect and will at every chance show you the little power she has in such a classless way. So utterly petty defying belief. I hope those dweebs get voted out pronto. That's an absurd abuse of power. People who trip like that have no business having any power or control.
- khazhoux 2y ago
  > gung-ho on censorship? What the actual f** is this? Unintenti**l irony
  - mc32 2y ago
    I hope that's just a rib. Else, one should be able to tell self control over stamping authority over others. Very few people openly speak their inner monologue, uncensored just releasing their stream of consciousness like a delirious hobo down a stench filled alleyway.
    - beedeebeedee 2y ago
      I speak my "inner monologue" and it is nothing like delirium or stench. Not sure who you are or who you're hanging out with, but better to get the stench out than let it fester.
    - khazhoux 2y ago
      It was funny that you censored yourself, in a comment about censorship, that's all :-)
    - plg94 2y ago
      You did have any opportunity to rewrite your sentence to use any other word than f**, one that did not require self-censoring. Yet you did not. Why?
  - 2y ago

rdtsc 2y ago

Wonder if the moderators heard about the Streisand Effect. It’s a good time to learn about it. > I don’t know much about voting systems, but I know someone who does. Unfortunately he’s currently banned. Maybe we can wait until his 3-month ban expires and ask him for advice? So he was banned for asking about someone who knows about voting. Transitive meta banning? I guess anyone asking about Guido’s post will also get banned.

lupire 2y ago

Your two versions of the title say the same thing.

Lockal 2y ago

This post was unflagged few moments ago, also received 20 likes (from 7 to 27) for last hour.

oblvious-earth 2y ago
Thanks for the update, unfortunately I can no longer edit my top comment or title to reflect this. Would be happy for admin to do so, if that's something that's done on this site.
srid 2y ago
Probably because it gained attention on HN? The same cannot be said for in-numerous other acts of flagging and hiding. Almost all posts from Clay in this thread has been flagged and hidden; you can't even make sense of Guido's replies to him because of that. https://discuss.python.org/t/approval-voting-vs-instant-runoff-voting-condorcet-etc/62142 https://discuss.python.org/t/approval-voting-vs-instant-runo...
- Izkata 2y ago
  Looks like they were restored right after you posted this link.

rich_sasha 2y ago

Are we all going to get banned for mentioning a post that mentions a ban?

Dotnaught 2y ago

FWIW, the post appears to have been restored. The cited original text is visible presently.