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I got stuck a long time in restaurants from around 18 years old to right at 30. Finally got out and move to the construction industry. I'm just wondering what e

I got stuck a long time in restaurants from around 18 years old to right at 30. Finally got out and move to the construction industry. I'm just wondering what exactly Aguilar did in construction that's definitely harder than some high volume fast paced kitchens. Only thing I can come up with is most likely roofing, especially during the summer, because everything else I've been through in construction is easier. "I ask Aguilar: How does this compare to the construction work you did back home? 'It’s easy,' he says."

mason55 2y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if the construction business in Guatemala is a lot harder than in the US. Probably longer hours, no breaks, harder work, few to no worker protections.
mdgrech23 2y ago
man that is a super informative comment. I worked a shitty fast food job back in the day and I always felt like that was the hardest job I ever did. Literally just non stop work.
akira2501 2y ago
The difference between construction and the kitchen is that if I mess up in the kitchen we're out probably less than $100. If I mess up in construction we're out significantly more in particular if it's a commercial construction job.
- nradov 2y ago
  That's not a meaningful difference from the employee's perspective. If you mess up in either job then the worst that they can do is fire you (unless you engage in some sort of malicious sabotage that could be proven in court).
  - akira2501 2y ago
    > That's not a meaningful difference from the employee's perspective. Perhaps for certain types of employees. I know that if the cost of my mistake is much higher then the level of preparation and study I'm going to do before committing to action is going to be greater. I guess some people just can't be made to work that way. > the worst that they can do is fire you If I lose a job in a kitchen, I can find work tomorrow, if I lose a job in construction, it's going to be harder to replace that salary. The zero sum analysis doesn't really work here.
    - nradov 2y ago
      Huh? It's not hard to find construction jobs at all. Contractors are constantly hiring.
- mckn1ght 2y ago
  There is another kind of mistake than can be made besides procedural. My worst safety screwups in foodservice were 2 things: cutting through my fingernail and about 2/3 of my entire fingertip with a brand new chefs knife (looked away at somebody barking something in my ear while rapidly chiffonading basil) and plunging my entire hand into a deep fryer (slipped while wiping down the edge of the oil vat–again, rushing). I’ve heard way worse stories coming out of construction. People breaking backs, having hands pulled into machinery… my mistakes have healed, theirs are permanently disfiguring.
  - WalterBright 2y ago
    The framing people I knew were all mostly deaf from the saws and nail guns.
    - tomcam 2y ago
      Plus bad knees by 40
      - bookofjoe 2y ago
        I got this: https://www.harborfreight.com/foam-kneeling-pad-56572.html?event_id=183117&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12192887194&campaignid=12192887194&utm_content=117279004779&adsetid=117279004779&product=56572&store=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw28W2BhC7ARIsAPerrcLHmLQywpNO82hNf36scBk5qSNgbz0cnE_AdS_-fsJ-z17ETdKLDFAaArjDEALw_wcB https://www.harborfreight.com/foam-kneeling-pad-56572.html?e.... For $6.99 cheap at twice the price.
        WalterBright 2y ago
        I just use a piece of styrofoam that was padding in a package.
        mckn1ght 2y ago
        I have a couple pairs of Fjallraven Vidda Pros, and they have double knees with an opening to slip a foam pad inside (which they also sell). Carhartt has a similar method with their work jeans. I’m sure this could be DIY’d as well for the sewing-machine-inclined.
- kmoser 2y ago
  If you mess up in construction, you (or others) might get killed. Less likely in a kitchen.
- maximus-decimus 2y ago
  Meanwhile there's the Disney lawsuit about the woman dying from allergy in a restaurant.
mckn1ght 2y ago
I worked about 12 years in restaurants, held every job besides mgmt level, including one of the hardest being an upscale dive bar with actually decent food and a sparkling kitchen (read: lots of elbow grease), where the cooks also had to wash dishes, there was no dedicated position for that. I’ve worked in kitchens that maintained over 100°F ambient temps next to pizza ovens wearing long sleeved chef jackets. Kitchens where we dragged pieces of ovens, stoves and entire coolers/shelves outside after every Sunday brunch to power wash them. I also worked for a week one summer with an uncle who laid brick. We built a chimney on a two story house. Mixing concrete and mortar in mixers and wheelbarrows and getting it to the work spots, carrying bricks around, carrying 100 lb sections of flue up half finished stairs and ladders. No comparison. I never slept better in my life than that week. Hardest work I’ve ever experienced. I’m sure construction, like foodservice, has easier and harder jobs. But I’d be willing to bet the hardest construction job is way harder than the hardest foodservice job. Not to mention more dangerous.

mason55 2y ago

I wouldn't be surprised if the construction business in Guatemala is a lot harder than in the US. Probably longer hours, no breaks, harder work, few to no worker protections.

mdgrech23 2y ago

man that is a super informative comment. I worked a shitty fast food job back in the day and I always felt like that was the hardest job I ever did. Literally just non stop work.

akira2501 2y ago

The difference between construction and the kitchen is that if I mess up in the kitchen we're out probably less than $100. If I mess up in construction we're out significantly more in particular if it's a commercial construction job.

nradov 2y ago
That's not a meaningful difference from the employee's perspective. If you mess up in either job then the worst that they can do is fire you (unless you engage in some sort of malicious sabotage that could be proven in court).
- akira2501 2y ago
  > That's not a meaningful difference from the employee's perspective. Perhaps for certain types of employees. I know that if the cost of my mistake is much higher then the level of preparation and study I'm going to do before committing to action is going to be greater. I guess some people just can't be made to work that way. > the worst that they can do is fire you If I lose a job in a kitchen, I can find work tomorrow, if I lose a job in construction, it's going to be harder to replace that salary. The zero sum analysis doesn't really work here.
  - nradov 2y ago
    Huh? It's not hard to find construction jobs at all. Contractors are constantly hiring.
mckn1ght 2y ago
There is another kind of mistake than can be made besides procedural. My worst safety screwups in foodservice were 2 things: cutting through my fingernail and about 2/3 of my entire fingertip with a brand new chefs knife (looked away at somebody barking something in my ear while rapidly chiffonading basil) and plunging my entire hand into a deep fryer (slipped while wiping down the edge of the oil vat–again, rushing). I’ve heard way worse stories coming out of construction. People breaking backs, having hands pulled into machinery… my mistakes have healed, theirs are permanently disfiguring.
- WalterBright 2y ago
  The framing people I knew were all mostly deaf from the saws and nail guns.
  - tomcam 2y ago
    Plus bad knees by 40
    - bookofjoe 2y ago
      I got this: https://www.harborfreight.com/foam-kneeling-pad-56572.html?event_id=183117&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=12192887194&campaignid=12192887194&utm_content=117279004779&adsetid=117279004779&product=56572&store=&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjw28W2BhC7ARIsAPerrcLHmLQywpNO82hNf36scBk5qSNgbz0cnE_AdS_-fsJ-z17ETdKLDFAaArjDEALw_wcB https://www.harborfreight.com/foam-kneeling-pad-56572.html?e.... For $6.99 cheap at twice the price.
      - WalterBright 2y ago
        I just use a piece of styrofoam that was padding in a package.
        mckn1ght 2y ago
        I have a couple pairs of Fjallraven Vidda Pros, and they have double knees with an opening to slip a foam pad inside (which they also sell). Carhartt has a similar method with their work jeans. I’m sure this could be DIY’d as well for the sewing-machine-inclined.
kmoser 2y ago
If you mess up in construction, you (or others) might get killed. Less likely in a kitchen.
maximus-decimus 2y ago
Meanwhile there's the Disney lawsuit about the woman dying from allergy in a restaurant.

mckn1ght 2y ago

I worked about 12 years in restaurants, held every job besides mgmt level, including one of the hardest being an upscale dive bar with actually decent food and a sparkling kitchen (read: lots of elbow grease), where the cooks also had to wash dishes, there was no dedicated position for that. I’ve worked in kitchens that maintained over 100°F ambient temps next to pizza ovens wearing long sleeved chef jackets. Kitchens where we dragged pieces of ovens, stoves and entire coolers/shelves outside after every Sunday brunch to power wash them. I also worked for a week one summer with an uncle who laid brick. We built a chimney on a two story house. Mixing concrete and mortar in mixers and wheelbarrows and getting it to the work spots, carrying bricks around, carrying 100 lb sections of flue up half finished stairs and ladders. No comparison. I never slept better in my life than that week. Hardest work I’ve ever experienced. I’m sure construction, like foodservice, has easier and harder jobs. But I’d be willing to bet the hardest construction job is way harder than the hardest foodservice job. Not to mention more dangerous.