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Obsolete Command-Line Tools of Linux
- ggm 2y agoBasically it's about the "ip" command and some net tools. The rest are a sideshow. And almost all things are both available, or even installed. So.. its a rant in disguise. "stop being old people" ok... meanwhile, over in BSD.. these tools work fine (I do however think tmux is a better choice than screen)
- parpfish 2y agoAs a long time ‘screen’ user, one thing I appreciated was that you could count on it to be installed on almost any machine you ssh into. Is ‘tmux’ one of those things where it’s safe to assume it’ll always be there?
- t-3 2y agoTmux is rarely ever there by default (only on OpenBSD that I know of), but it's always available. On the other hand, screen isn't available by default on many Linux distros either.
- throwaway984393 2y agoNo matter how old the machine/distro, screen is packaged. Tmux is only packaged for recent distro versions.
- ggm 2y agooptimal% which screen screen not found optimal% uname -a FreeBSD optimal.algebras.org 14.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE-p3 GENERIC amd64 optimal% magicpudding% uname -a FreeBSD magicpudding.local 13.3-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 13.3-RELEASE-p4 n257491-41f6a830f8e TRUENAS amd64 magicpudding% which screen magicpudding%
- fragmede 2y agopackaged, not installed
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y agoAre you running a lot of systems on over-decade-old OSs? Because tmux isn't really new anymore
- dec0dedab0de 2y agoI like screen, but I think newer versions of rhel don’t have it
- ggm 2y agoNo. A major downside. But cross distro/os screen wasn't reliably available either. Which also socks.
- jmclnx 2y agoWhen dealing with UNIXs like AIX, screen is the only choice. Plus I noticed it is a bit lighter than tmux. But there was one odd instance where I had a minor issue with screen, I forgot what it was. FWIW, tmux comes with NetBSD too, I suspect maybe it is there by default on FreeBSD too.
- boredinstapanda 2y agoI also am an avid screen user. There are a number of places where I need a serial console and TMUX basically says "we will not support serial connections ever". screen is way better than the alternatives for what I want. I never got minicom to work as smoothly as screen. It's just so clunky.
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- lagniappe 2y agoIn my most charitable assumption, this is just ragebait farming engagement. Nobody would endanger their own safety saying these things in a serious tone. Not in public, anyway.
- 29athrowaway 2y agoAlso: iptables to nftables
- jijji 2y agotelnet is always going to be useful for connecting to a TCP port that might be open, not just deprecated port 23.
- asveikau 2y agoYes, that's what I use it for. nc (netcat) is also similar.
- paleotrope 2y agoI have been using curl for this now.
- molticrystal 2y agoA lot of these utilities are still useful in limited environments. OpenWrt routers still use the network based ones, and for most of the others busybox implements them with just a few lines of code. In some cases the simplicity also aids with scripting in the limited environments as well.
- emilfihlman 2y agoMaybe they are more modern and with more features and so on, but the default user experience absolutely sucks on tmux and ip, which makes using them useless on servers you don't control, and asking to "oh lemme just drop my config here" is just insane as a default. Which is why the older tools don't go away.
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- LeoPanthera 2y agoThis entire article is the product of ChatGPT. Probably including that awful image at the top.
- goshx 2y agoDon’t you dare touching my favorite tools :)