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The columns: https://atlive-wp.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/Screenshot-2022-08-11-at-10.18.16.png https://atlive-wp.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uplo...

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fourteenfour 2y ago
Ha, was looking for this, just read 3 articles about these columns without a picture of the layout. Resorted to a video tour, are you sure it wasn't the larger ones here? https://imgbox.com/nh1Wx8JF https://imgbox.com/nh1Wx8JF
- useless_foghorn 2y ago
  That would make more sense! I was misreading this article: https://architecturetoday.co.uk/learning-from-venturi-scott-brown-the-national-gallerys-sainsbury-wing/# https://architecturetoday.co.uk/learning-from-venturi-scott-... Thanks for the correction!
- Suppafly 2y ago
  which of those are the 'two large columns in the foyer'?
  - fourteenfour 2y ago
    I have no idea, there is a severe lack of graphic context in these articles about a specific architectural detail. In the original article it looks like people are standing by the column the letter was found in.
    - Suppafly 2y ago
      Yeah it's insane that they have an article about these columns and don't show which ones it is prior to showing the people next to the deconstructed one without any context of where they are located.
- Reason077 2y ago
  No, that's up on the first floor. The "unnecessary columns" were the ones in the foyer on the ground floor.
tobyjsullivan 2y ago
I think it's two of the five columns on the right in this image: https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6352/6dc1/66b7/442f/b9ed/3d05/slideshow/renovation-plans-for-venturi-scott-browns-national-gallery-wing-are-revised-after-widespread-criticism_8.jpg https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6352/6dc1/66b7/442f/b... Note that they are absent from this render: https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6352/6d02/da69/b45e/2863/ce99/slideshow/renovation-plans-for-venturi-scott-browns-national-gallery-wing-are-revised-after-widespread-criticism_1.jpg https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6352/6d02/da69/b45e/2... > located on the ground floor near the former cloakroom, halfway between the street entrance and the stairs and lift leading down to the basement. Three adjacent structural columns have needed to be retained.
- adastra22 2y ago
  Why would the architect want those columns to be there? It makes absolutely no sense.
  - corndoge 2y ago
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    - carabiner 2y ago
      Strange idea but it might work.
    - krisoft 2y ago
      I did read the article and still have the same question. To show that I read it I can even quote the line where they talk about the architect’s motivations: “Venturi wanted the foyer to have the feel of a mighty crypt, leading upstairs to the galleries, so it was a subsidiary space—the beginning of a journey, not a destination.” And still I have the same question? Why would those two false collumn make the space a “subsidiary” space? (Or to put it differentl why would the addition of those two collumns make it more of a subsidiary space than the fact that it is just the foyer of a gallery?) And then the further question is why did they place the false collumns unevenly? If i see it right they form a pair with the real collumns, instead of being evenly distributed in between them. Which is… a choice.
Simon_ORourke 2y ago
The guy was right, but as a donor surely someone there could have just instructed the architect not to add them in. Here on one side of the argument is a rich guy who's giving you millions, and on the other a glorified hired hand who's looking to be expressive or whatever. Money talks, usually, I'm surprised how the architect got away with this one back in the day.
- corndoge 2y ago
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- ArchitectAnon 2y ago
  If you hire a world famous architect and then start micromanaging their design they will walk away from the project and publicly tell everyone it’s going to be shit. They don’t want to be associated with something that is not their design; it’s bad for their brand.

The columns: https://atlive-wp.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/Screenshot-2022-08-11-at-10.18.16.png https://atlive-wp.s3.eu-west-2.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uplo...

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fourteenfour 2y ago

Ha, was looking for this, just read 3 articles about these columns without a picture of the layout. Resorted to a video tour, are you sure it wasn't the larger ones here? https://imgbox.com/nh1Wx8JF https://imgbox.com/nh1Wx8JF

useless_foghorn 2y ago
That would make more sense! I was misreading this article: https://architecturetoday.co.uk/learning-from-venturi-scott-brown-the-national-gallerys-sainsbury-wing/# https://architecturetoday.co.uk/learning-from-venturi-scott-... Thanks for the correction!
Suppafly 2y ago
which of those are the 'two large columns in the foyer'?
- fourteenfour 2y ago
  I have no idea, there is a severe lack of graphic context in these articles about a specific architectural detail. In the original article it looks like people are standing by the column the letter was found in.
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    Yeah it's insane that they have an article about these columns and don't show which ones it is prior to showing the people next to the deconstructed one without any context of where they are located.
Reason077 2y ago
No, that's up on the first floor. The "unnecessary columns" were the ones in the foyer on the ground floor.

tobyjsullivan 2y ago

I think it's two of the five columns on the right in this image: https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6352/6dc1/66b7/442f/b9ed/3d05/slideshow/renovation-plans-for-venturi-scott-browns-national-gallery-wing-are-revised-after-widespread-criticism_8.jpg https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6352/6dc1/66b7/442f/b... Note that they are absent from this render: https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6352/6d02/da69/b45e/2863/ce99/slideshow/renovation-plans-for-venturi-scott-browns-national-gallery-wing-are-revised-after-widespread-criticism_1.jpg https://images.adsttc.com/media/images/6352/6d02/da69/b45e/2... > located on the ground floor near the former cloakroom, halfway between the street entrance and the stairs and lift leading down to the basement. Three adjacent structural columns have needed to be retained.

adastra22 2y ago
Why would the architect want those columns to be there? It makes absolutely no sense.
- corndoge 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - carabiner 2y ago
    Strange idea but it might work.
  - krisoft 2y ago
    I did read the article and still have the same question. To show that I read it I can even quote the line where they talk about the architect’s motivations: “Venturi wanted the foyer to have the feel of a mighty crypt, leading upstairs to the galleries, so it was a subsidiary space—the beginning of a journey, not a destination.” And still I have the same question? Why would those two false collumn make the space a “subsidiary” space? (Or to put it differentl why would the addition of those two collumns make it more of a subsidiary space than the fact that it is just the foyer of a gallery?) And then the further question is why did they place the false collumns unevenly? If i see it right they form a pair with the real collumns, instead of being evenly distributed in between them. Which is… a choice.

Simon_ORourke 2y ago

The guy was right, but as a donor surely someone there could have just instructed the architect not to add them in. Here on one side of the argument is a rich guy who's giving you millions, and on the other a glorified hired hand who's looking to be expressive or whatever. Money talks, usually, I'm surprised how the architect got away with this one back in the day.

corndoge 2y ago
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ArchitectAnon 2y ago
If you hire a world famous architect and then start micromanaging their design they will walk away from the project and publicly tell everyone it’s going to be shit. They don’t want to be associated with something that is not their design; it’s bad for their brand.